TC88 After the tensioners self distruct, now what ?
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@Vickersguy For future reference, you will get better information if you start a thread and keep it going, even if the subject drifts a bit from the orignal title. O.
@Vickersguy For future reference, you will get better information if you start a thread and keep it going, even if the subject drifts a bit from the orignal title. O.
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All valid comments.
I think in shorthand when I get into a subject, and that obfuscates things. I wrote a detailed account last night. Used paragraphs 'n everthin.
I spent two hours. I proofread it for clarity repeated times. I made sure the narrative evolved in a logical path. I made sure I kept all the relevant details in and skipped unnecessary information. Well, that's not exactly true. I did express my vision of the previous owner spending all eternity in the hell with people that put eyelashes on their car headlights. On second thought, I realized he'd probably feel right at home. I clicked on the "post quick reply"'.
Fxxxt
Gone. Just like the first set of tires I ordered that vanished into the Bermuda Triangle, ( Just so you guys are up-to-speed here, the Bermuda Triangle has recently been renamed the "UPS Fayette Distribution Facility". ) It took a month to sort that out. I swear this bike is cursed.
I will resubmit that information to Y'all when I have some time tonight. I value insightful input. Even prissy snark from Dan89flstcmqxvz whatever. He had a valid point.
I think in shorthand when I get into a subject, and that obfuscates things. I wrote a detailed account last night. Used paragraphs 'n everthin.
I spent two hours. I proofread it for clarity repeated times. I made sure the narrative evolved in a logical path. I made sure I kept all the relevant details in and skipped unnecessary information. Well, that's not exactly true. I did express my vision of the previous owner spending all eternity in the hell with people that put eyelashes on their car headlights. On second thought, I realized he'd probably feel right at home. I clicked on the "post quick reply"'.
Fxxxt
Gone. Just like the first set of tires I ordered that vanished into the Bermuda Triangle, ( Just so you guys are up-to-speed here, the Bermuda Triangle has recently been renamed the "UPS Fayette Distribution Facility". ) It took a month to sort that out. I swear this bike is cursed.
I will resubmit that information to Y'all when I have some time tonight. I value insightful input. Even prissy snark from Dan89flstcmqxvz whatever. He had a valid point.
#13
Simply hitting return helps a lot.
The other thing I think that helps is list directly what is going on. Some people will tell a whole story, it was beautiful day I just did this that and that. I think at the bottom you should list year model, and just the facts. Often I see someone reply to something wrong, because they didn't see something buried in the text. I see these mostly on no start threads. So not all aimed at you.
Again I would do a search on forums and see if you can focus on stuff 15-20 years ago. Which is the cool thing about the internet it is there forever. The new style tensioners came out in 2007. So less and less people have seen it now. I remember discussion 20 years ago about this, some flush, some take apart, I don't remember what the consensus was
I'd be tempted to pull top end, so I could run kerosene or such through it and flush bottom end. Lots of work, and if bottom end is bed you will be pulling apart again. Again I have never done this, so would be great to find some threads from people who did.
Maybe someone else would say, the oil circulating path is ______, and you don't need to do that. Just clean chect and put new pump in.
The other thing I think that helps is list directly what is going on. Some people will tell a whole story, it was beautiful day I just did this that and that. I think at the bottom you should list year model, and just the facts. Often I see someone reply to something wrong, because they didn't see something buried in the text. I see these mostly on no start threads. So not all aimed at you.
Again I would do a search on forums and see if you can focus on stuff 15-20 years ago. Which is the cool thing about the internet it is there forever. The new style tensioners came out in 2007. So less and less people have seen it now. I remember discussion 20 years ago about this, some flush, some take apart, I don't remember what the consensus was
I'd be tempted to pull top end, so I could run kerosene or such through it and flush bottom end. Lots of work, and if bottom end is bed you will be pulling apart again. Again I have never done this, so would be great to find some threads from people who did.
Maybe someone else would say, the oil circulating path is ______, and you don't need to do that. Just clean chect and put new pump in.
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kemdds (06-30-2024)
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Here are the three options I see, not saying what to do, or saying I am right.
1. Clean cam chest up, put new pump in. Worse case there is still debris and pump is ruined.
2. pull top end, run, flush bottom end. Worse case, bottom end is bad, and you did that for nothing.
3. you pull engine, and inspect bottom end. Lots of work in the summer. Not as hard as people think though. But takes some time.
Myself I would probably do first or second, and see what happens. But again, would be nice to find some old threads on this.
1. Clean cam chest up, put new pump in. Worse case there is still debris and pump is ruined.
2. pull top end, run, flush bottom end. Worse case, bottom end is bad, and you did that for nothing.
3. you pull engine, and inspect bottom end. Lots of work in the summer. Not as hard as people think though. But takes some time.
Myself I would probably do first or second, and see what happens. But again, would be nice to find some old threads on this.
#15
It`s Dan89FLSTC (In case you don`t know, that is the designation for a 1989 Harley Davidson Heritage Softail Classic, which I have owned since new).
My comment was not prissy or snark.
You posted a wall of text and I politely asked you to use paragraphs.
You are the one who came here looking for help.
I was just trying to help, I`m not being the grammar police, I couldn`t care less about how you post, just that you make it readable. My eyes are 69 years old, and I don`t like to attempt reading run on sentences.
Good luck, vickersguy (or whatever).
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I've had a decide. Gonna clean up the issues in the cam chest. Ditch the INA bearings, install a new oil pump and clean up the pressure relief piston/valve.
I'm old, probably only put on 800 miles a year anyway. I don't really have the concern I would have were I to take it across the country. It will hold up fine once I get some oil pressure back. It's showing some wear but given my purposes, nothing to break a sweat over. Sure is easy to work on. I miss the potato-potsto sound of the shovel head idle, but not enough to put on a carb. Thanks for the input, all a ya !
I'm old, probably only put on 800 miles a year anyway. I don't really have the concern I would have were I to take it across the country. It will hold up fine once I get some oil pressure back. It's showing some wear but given my purposes, nothing to break a sweat over. Sure is easy to work on. I miss the potato-potsto sound of the shovel head idle, but not enough to put on a carb. Thanks for the input, all a ya !
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Gordo-uk (06-04-2024)
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How did you determine the oil pump was not aligned correctly? Unless folks are changing cams and doing upgrades, it is not uncommon to just change the tensioners and leave the oil pump. There is a different spring you could use in the plate for higher oil pressure. Just a couple rambling thoughts as I read your post.
Even though you have adjustables, I’d go down through the top and freshen things up there like breather baffles, gaskets and drill the oil return holes for better return, rockouts, etc. Stock rods don’t need fiddling with, but folks are quick to cut to avoid going through the top, unless of course cams require the change.
Even though you have adjustables, I’d go down through the top and freshen things up there like breather baffles, gaskets and drill the oil return holes for better return, rockouts, etc. Stock rods don’t need fiddling with, but folks are quick to cut to avoid going through the top, unless of course cams require the change.
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All valid comments.
I think in shorthand when I get into a subject, and that obfuscates things. I wrote a detailed account last night. Used paragraphs 'n everthin.
I spent two hours. I proofread it for clarity repeated times. I made sure the narrative evolved in a logical path. I made sure I kept all the relevant details in and skipped unnecessary information. Well, that's not exactly true. I did express my vision of the previous owner spending all eternity in the hell with people that put eyelashes on their car headlights. On second thought, I realized he'd probably feel right at home. I clicked on the "post quick reply"'.
Fxxxt
Gone. Just like the first set of tires I ordered that vanished into the Bermuda Triangle, ( Just so you guys are up-to-speed here, the Bermuda Triangle has recently been renamed the "UPS Fayette Distribution Facility". ) It took a month to sort that out. I swear this bike is cursed.
I will resubmit that information to Y'all when I have some time tonight. I value insightful input. Even prissy snark from Dan89flstcmqxvz whatever. He had a valid point.
I think in shorthand when I get into a subject, and that obfuscates things. I wrote a detailed account last night. Used paragraphs 'n everthin.
I spent two hours. I proofread it for clarity repeated times. I made sure the narrative evolved in a logical path. I made sure I kept all the relevant details in and skipped unnecessary information. Well, that's not exactly true. I did express my vision of the previous owner spending all eternity in the hell with people that put eyelashes on their car headlights. On second thought, I realized he'd probably feel right at home. I clicked on the "post quick reply"'.
Fxxxt
Gone. Just like the first set of tires I ordered that vanished into the Bermuda Triangle, ( Just so you guys are up-to-speed here, the Bermuda Triangle has recently been renamed the "UPS Fayette Distribution Facility". ) It took a month to sort that out. I swear this bike is cursed.
I will resubmit that information to Y'all when I have some time tonight. I value insightful input. Even prissy snark from Dan89flstcmqxvz whatever. He had a valid point.
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How did you determine the oil pump was not aligned correctly? Unless folks are changing cams and doing upgrades, it is not uncommon to just change the tensioners and leave the oil pump. There is a different spring you could use in the plate for higher oil pressure. Just a couple rambling thoughts as I read your post.
Even though you have adjustables, I’d go down through the top and freshen things up there like breather baffles, gaskets and drill the oil return holes for better return, rockouts, etc. Stock rods don’t need fiddling with, but folks are quick to cut to avoid going through the top, unless of course cams require the change.
Even though you have adjustables, I’d go down through the top and freshen things up there like breather baffles, gaskets and drill the oil return holes for better return, rockouts, etc. Stock rods don’t need fiddling with, but folks are quick to cut to avoid going through the top, unless of course cams require the change.
Worse case he has to buy a new pump. Though they are not cheap.
I do agree that the downside of adjsutables is you don't address rest of engine. When I pull one engine apart at 70, one breather was was mush, where did it go? While I have read about drilling hole out, i have not.
Curioius for me own educatiojn, how he knew it was misaligned. I used the pins and rotate engine while tightening
Normally I am in favor of older bikes replacing gaskets and such. But it is also summer, unless he plans on paying someone, its time to ride.
Yes I agree with the old cranky guy in this case. Hit return a few times. Though I have never praised him for his literary prowess.
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