Injector and Throttle Body Advice
#11
Stock injectors hit 85% duty cycle; heads were done by Don, Pro Street package. After all the dyno testing we did, we still think 120/120, which was our target, is possible. Maybe longer cams, maybe different heads. I saw a flow sheet of same package Don did for a friend, on my recommedation, that flowed better than mine.
That said. It's a 107" running a max flow 55/58 with 5.3 injectors. It's doing 127/126 and 4.9 injectors would be big enough.
98hrfb is running a near identical build in a 110" with 4.9 injectors.
#12
Not sure but if you're talking about mine, but he spent an unusual amount of time on mine by hand at the end because of the circumstances.
That said. It's a 107" running a max flow 55/58 with 5.3 injectors. It's doing 127/126 and 4.9 injectors would be big enough. 98hrfb is running a near identical build in a 110" with 4.9 injectors.
That said. It's a 107" running a max flow 55/58 with 5.3 injectors. It's doing 127/126 and 4.9 injectors would be big enough. 98hrfb is running a near identical build in a 110" with 4.9 injectors.
4.9 injectors might have been big enough but hitting 85% duty cycle at 4000rpms was the reason for the larger injectors. I will leave the OPs choice of injectors up to him and his tuner.
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I am referring to yours. My tuner and I still believe 120/120 numbers are achievable from a 98" build. I have seen results of a 98" that did hit 120HP/107TQ, so it appears that 120HP is achievable. We spent some time post final tune reviewing all the dyno sheets of the various configurations tested trying to figure out what could have been done to hit 120/120. We believe that higher head flow and/or different cams might have done it.
4.9 injectors might have been big enough but hitting 85% duty cycle at 4000rpms was the reason for the larger injectors. I will leave the OPs choice of injectors up to him and his tuner.
4.9 injectors might have been big enough but hitting 85% duty cycle at 4000rpms was the reason for the larger injectors. I will leave the OPs choice of injectors up to him and his tuner.
I didnt know you hit 85% at 4000rpm. How much was it at peak hp? Or did it go any higher?
That's approaching peak torque rpm of my 107.
I just know too big affects low end tunability.
I was going to do 4.9s myself after doing the math but went 5.3s after talking to I think Jason but msybe it was Don.
TBH I've never checked duty cycle of them to see where they're at.
The OP isn't in any danger of coming close to your 98 build. There's always that possibility with changes down the road and this is one reason people go bigger than necessary. The other is just not knowing the effect too big can have.
How big is too big? Couldn't tell you that either. I just know 4.9s are big enough in his build.
I don't know if there would be any benefit to a 55/58 max flow in his build either. I don't THINK it would hurt any and the cost is the same.
It maximizes mid and upper rpm power without hurting low end as opposed to a straight 55mm or 58mm in larger bore builds.
I went in depth in my research on this with HPI and I know it's Jason's go to up to 130 hp builds.
I think there's a 58/62 after that. Not sure if there's a smaller one. I don't remember.
My ports/runners are 1.8. Fwiw.
I'd be surprised if his level B heads are more than 1.760 or flow more than 300cfm.
Last edited by 60Gunner; 09-29-2023 at 11:06 PM.
#15
I don't recall and I don't recall duty cycle of the 5.3 injectors after the switch. I wasn't sure about replacing the injectors but deferred to the tuner. We believe 120/120 is possible from 98" and may revisit next summer. I have minor regrets from not building another all bore 107 like I ran in my bagger but with better heads; more compression and Cyclerama 630 cams. I am thinking those cams and a set of WFO Larry's heads, purpose built for the 98" configuration, might hit 120/120. Or I might just by a 1200RT Beemer.
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I don't recall and I don't recall duty cycle of the 5.3 injectors after the switch. I wasn't sure about replacing the injectors but deferred to the tuner. We believe 120/120 is possible from 98" and may revisit next summer. I have minor regrets from not building another all bore 107 like I ran in my bagger but with better heads; more compression and Cyclerama 630 cams. I am thinking those cams and a set of WFO Larry's heads, purpose built for the 98" configuration, might hit 120/120. Or I might just by a 1200RT Beemer.
I think that's the point I'm at, and happy to be, with my 107. I think anything I did to gain in one would cost in the other. I've seen a few 107s with a little more HP but nowhere near the torque and vice versa. I think the 127/126 is as good as it gets in a 107 or awful close to it. I did everything possible from the start to make it so. Never seen a 130/130 107. At least none I could find and I've searched high and low. Not saying there isn't any but...
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The closest I ever seen to anybody getting to 130 with a 107 was @target64 , A few years back he had a 107 that sounded like the nastiest ****ing motor I ever heard built by Hillside with a Thunderheader on it and dude probably best ****ing motor I ever heard honestly.. I believe he was running a 9F Woods and he hit 129 hp and 124 torque.. I could be wrong but maybe he'll pop in.. All I do remember was that was one bad *** ****ing motor...
Last edited by 98hotrodfatboy; 10-03-2023 at 07:24 PM.
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The closest I ever seen to anybody getting to 130 with a 107 was @target64 , A few years back he had a 107 that sounded like the nastiest ****ing motor I ever heard built by Hillside with a Thunderheader on it and dude probably best ****ing motor I ever heard honestly.. I believe he was running a 9F Woods and he hit 129 hp and 124 torque.. I could be wrong but maybe he'll pop in.. All I do remember was that was one bad *** ****ing motor...
Did you ever get yours on the dyno yet? I'm curious what it does with that exhaust.
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The closest I ever seen to anybody getting to 130 with a 107 was @target64 , A few years back he had a 107 that sounded like the nastiest ****ing motor I ever heard built by Hillside with a Thunderheader on it and dude probably best ****ing motor I ever heard honestly.. I believe he was running a 9F Woods and he hit 129 hp and 124 torque.. I could be wrong but maybe he'll pop in.. All I do remember was that was one bad *** ****ing motor...
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