107" all bore cylinders availability?
#11
Thanks, I have no plans on giving up
Since I am in Sweden it would be quite costly to send my engine to a workshop in the US, but I know of at least two shops here in Sweden that do this kind of work so I will contact them for more info.
I plan to still use my S&S heads with 1.94" intake and 1.575" exhaust valves. With flat top pistons compression will end up at around 11:1 so I would need cams with intake closing a bit above 50 degrees
Since I am in Sweden it would be quite costly to send my engine to a workshop in the US, but I know of at least two shops here in Sweden that do this kind of work so I will contact them for more info.
I plan to still use my S&S heads with 1.94" intake and 1.575" exhaust valves. With flat top pistons compression will end up at around 11:1 so I would need cams with intake closing a bit above 50 degrees
11:1 is not the critical measurement; you should be making decisions on CCP and corrected compression. IIRC, you are running a programmable ignition? If not, you will definitely need one. The tuner would should be skilled in the practice of tuning a carbed bike; a handful of needles and jets will be required. Dyno tuning a carbed bike can be time consuming.
#12
S&S cylinders for their 124" kit are 4.125" bore, but obviously taller. Could these be cut down to the correct height for a 107"? I guess that would be stock 88" height
I checked, the 124" cylinders are 5.013" and stock 88" are 4.937". That's 0.076" to cut, around 2 mm. Can you shorten a cylinder by that amount?
I checked, the 124" cylinders are 5.013" and stock 88" are 4.937". That's 0.076" to cut, around 2 mm. Can you shorten a cylinder by that amount?
Last edited by harpwrench; 07-15-2023 at 12:19 PM.
#13
Don's the guy that put me in touch with advanced sleeve. He was planning on doing cylinders but unless he's got some advanced equipment, I don't see it being cost effective. Trimming cylinder seems like a plan.. SnS may make cylinders the correct length on request. Typically 117 cylinders are the same length as stock 88/96/103 but SnS ones are shorter.. Go figure. I believe 117 FM cylinders are the right length but don't know if they are specifically for 110s with thin spigots.
#14
I keep forgetting you are in Sweden; my bad.
11:1 is not the critical measurement; you should be making decisions on CCP and corrected compression. IIRC, you are running a programmable ignition? If not, you will definitely need one. The tuner would should be skilled in the practice of tuning a carbed bike; a handful of needles and jets will be required. Dyno tuning a carbed bike can be time consuming.
11:1 is not the critical measurement; you should be making decisions on CCP and corrected compression. IIRC, you are running a programmable ignition? If not, you will definitely need one. The tuner would should be skilled in the practice of tuning a carbed bike; a handful of needles and jets will be required. Dyno tuning a carbed bike can be time consuming.
In this particular case the 79 cc combustion chambers will render a high compression ratio even with flat top pistons, which in turn will require a cam with a bit later closing intake.
#15
I forget what lift your valve springs will accommodate but many cams with a 50*, or later, intake close wil have lifts exceeding .600" lift. Also, TDC lift of the selected cam should be compared to the TDC lift of the current cam to see if piston to valve clearance should be checked.
Last edited by djl; 07-16-2023 at 12:24 PM.
#16
If you can find a good tuner it's not necessary to go with a 50° plus camshaft at 11:1..
When I increased my 103 to a 110 I went with 3 cc domes that put my static at 11.26:1 and I went with a 43° IVC cam, Woods 888's.. My dynamic comp is at 10.2:1 with 217 ccp.. no issues and real good usable power at all rpm's
When I increased my 103 to a 110 I went with 3 cc domes that put my static at 11.26:1 and I went with a 43° IVC cam, Woods 888's.. My dynamic comp is at 10.2:1 with 217 ccp.. no issues and real good usable power at all rpm's
#17
If you can find a good tuner it's not necessary to go with a 50° plus camshaft at 11:1..
When I increased my 103 to a 110 I went with 3 cc domes that put my static at 11.26:1 and I went with a 43° IVC cam, Woods 888's.. My dynamic comp is at 10.2:1 with 217 ccp.. no issues and real good usable power at all rpm's
When I increased my 103 to a 110 I went with 3 cc domes that put my static at 11.26:1 and I went with a 43° IVC cam, Woods 888's.. My dynamic comp is at 10.2:1 with 217 ccp.. no issues and real good usable power at all rpm's
#18
#19
A small update, I have been discussing this with the workshop that would do the case boring, and I was right, they said using 124" cylinders cut down to correct height is the way to go.
I have also found a source for 4.125" pistons with a slight dish that will keep compression down to around 10.3:1, this would actually work nice with my current Andrews 55 cams.
I have also found a source for 4.125" pistons with a slight dish that will keep compression down to around 10.3:1, this would actually work nice with my current Andrews 55 cams.
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