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Old 03-28-2023 | 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Rusty Springs
I had some false knock counts after installing the Wood TW-222s in my 96" It was mostly around 3000 rpm and 70 to 80 kpa.

Hundreds of counts but no pinging could be heard. I kept pulling timing until it was retarded 6 degrees and it didn't improve. A richer AFR seemed to make it worse. I never had this problem with stock cams and I believe it's the increased cylinder pressure.

Going to .035 instead of .040 plug gap helped a lot. At .035, with NGK dcpr8e plugs, I was only getting 5 knocks in 100 miles. After talking to Fuel Moto I learned that I was chasing nothing. They also recommend oem plugs and wires. I have a stock engine with bolt in cams so you may be in a different boat.

The OEM plugs at .032 did the trick. I even tested my luck and beat the hell out of it on a tank of 89 octane...only one knock. Im still using the Screamin Eagle wires since I got it under control.

I don't know if this it worth anything but I measured the resistance of various plugs.

Stock 6r12 = 116 ohms

Stock Vrod plug 10r12a = 33k to 36k ohms

NGK dcpr7e, dcpr8e, dcpr8eix were around 5000 ohms
I took the same measurements a while back.. When I was using the NGK's I was getting a lot of false known so I went back to the 6r12's and it was clean as a whistle.. That was in the 103@10.2:1 with Woods TW5-6 cams and same stage II heads. My compression is a lot higher now, 11.2:1 so I'm going to set the timing back 2°in the entire table and do another data log and go from there..
 
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Old 03-28-2023 | 09:45 PM
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The 6r12 is a bit hot for that compression don't ya think?
Equivalent to the dcpr7E. I run the 8E. I know djl runs the 9E at 11.2.
Disable knock detection. No more pulled timing.

 
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Old 03-28-2023 | 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by 98hotrodfatboy
I took the same measurements a while back.. When I was using the NGK's I was getting a lot of false known so I went back to the 6r12's and it was clean as a whistle.. That was in the 103@10.2:1 with Woods TW5-6 cams and same stage II heads. My compression is a lot higher now, 11.2:1 so I'm going to set the timing back 2°in the entire table and do another data log and go from there..
You are running the woods tw5 at 11.2 to 1? Wow..
 
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Old 03-28-2023 | 09:55 PM
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You are running the woods tw5 at 11.2 to 1? Wow..
Triple 8s ya goof.
 
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Old 03-28-2023 | 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 60Gunner
Triple 8s ya goof.
My memory don't last that long.. I'll admit, didn't notice it was HRFB.

11.2 with a 43 degree intake close.. Compression trumps all sins..
 
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Old 03-29-2023 | 12:11 AM
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My memory don't last that long.. I'll admit, didn't notice it was HRFB.

11.2 with a 43 degree intake close.. Compression trumps all sins..
I like it. I thought I was pushing it. Pretty much the same cam...sort of anyway.
Be interesting to see the results for sure..

 
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Old 03-29-2023 | 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Max Headflow
You are running the woods tw5 at 11.2 to 1? Wow..
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Triple 8s ya goof.

It's possible that I might go to a colder plug.. I'll check the OEM's..
 
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Old 03-29-2023 | 07:01 AM
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I knocked back the timing a little we'll see how it does... I don't think 2* will make or break the tune.. I knew it would be a little of adjusting and testing/data logging.. Does the MOCO make a 7r12?
 
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Old 03-29-2023 | 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by 60Gunner
The 6r12 is a bit hot for that compression don't ya think?
Equivalent to the dcpr7E. I run the 8E. I know djl runs the 9E at 11.2.
Disable knock detection. No more pulled timing.
Valid point, I will look into these,
https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/e...ugs/p/31600105
Doesn't say if they're colder but are made for higher compression so I imagine it would be a colder plug..
 
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Old 03-29-2023 | 08:08 AM
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