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Old 08-24-2021, 09:04 AM
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What? A flat top 98 kit will move the CR from 8.6 to 1 to 9.5 to 1. Both the 26 and 21 have earlier intake close and overlap. Corrected and dynamic compression will increase. The timing will need adjusting.
I did not think he already purchased the cam and by getting a kit from Scott I'm sure the 2 cam choices of his would have been thrown out the window.. Didn't think I needed to spell everything out but yes higher compression would bring different cams into play....
 
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I did not think he already purchased the cam and by getting a kit from Scott I'm sure the 2 cam choices of his would have been thrown out the window.. Didn't think I needed to spell everything out but yes higher compression would bring different cams into play....
Even with different cams, the timing will need adjusting. I'd expect that if the OP, only changed cams, he might get away without an ignition module. I've seen Scott recommend the 26 before. Not sure he still does tho.
 
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Actually the 26 should work great at 9.5:1.. and yes a DTT will make tuning easier..
 
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With our HMM 98" kit, we can juggle compression as needed.
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I have the Andrews gear drive 26's on my 2002 have 30K or more and runs and pulls great
 
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I'm pretty sure I'm going to remain as stock as possible - I just wouldn't know how to tune and most likely would need more parts to handle the 98" upgrade.

I'm still undecided on a cam though

Andrews 21, 26, or 37

Woods TW6

Read a lot of posts favoring the Wood TW6 but some say they are noisy due to the steep ramp of the cam or adj. pushrods not adjusted correctly.

Not sure if I could get away without needing an ignition module. I'm hoping so since I'm not sure how I will tune other than taking it somewhere. Maybe Im wrong though.

Thanks again for all the reploes!




 
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2001 FLSTC Heritage Softail Classic

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Just reached 48000 miles before tensioner gave up.

My question is what I should do moving forward. I’ve opened my cam chest and the hard coating is worn from the cams and some pitting on a couple of the lobes so I have some decisions to make. I also separated the piston from the cylinder going after a rear gasket leak since I was in there, so to speak. I suppose I could have removed the wrist pin and replaced the base/head gasket without separating but here I am. I also figured I might as well freshen it up since I’m doing the gasket and I’m near 50k…..snowball ensued

Anyway, I’ve checked my runout and I’m just at or slightly under .002” - I’ve read about backlash but I don’t know exactly how to measure - I see the spec is .001 or less. Maybe just avoid the gear setup altogether since those tolerances are so tight and they could eventually move out of spec? Install over my head as a beginner? Too noisy in hot/humid climate?

I started this with an intention of just the tensioner replacement. I’ve obviously gotten in deeper.

From what I’ve searched it looks like I can do several things with the cam plate & Andrews cams:

Stock plate\ Andrews TW21, TW26A

25355-06A 2007 Stock hydraulic cam plate\ Andrews TW21N or TW26N conversion cams

Hydraulic tensioner plate\Andrews 21 or 26A

Stock plate with Gear drive cam\ Andrews TW21G or 26G

Should I go with an Andrews 26G and convert to gear drive for a nice even curve in the 2-4.5 RPM range - is that a realistic range? I want to keep this bike forever - I’ve ridden 28000 miles in the last 10 months so I like to ride. I want something smooth and close to stock as I can but I want to add logical upgrades where I can without moving away from stock but still being “future proof” for a 95 bore in the future for ex.

I also don’t know if a gear drive conversion should be done. Is .002 too close to the .003 runout spec.? Should I just replace the tensioners and go with an Andrews 26A and go with what I have. Or a different cam altogether. I’m a somewhat aggressive rider but not a speed demon. I ride solo, no bags. I ride curvy, hilly mountainous roads as much as I can - just returned from a 10 day 5k road trip through Colorado and back, for example. I also do day to day cruising on simple hilly farmland roads.

Anyway, I’ve heard a lot of good things about Scott from Hillside so I’m planning on sending there. Just trying to get a plan of action.

Maybe I’m making it too complicated and should replace stock manual tensioner and get appropriate cam and have cylinders honed, valve job, new rings and call it good.

I hope this wall of text finds you well and thank you for any help/suggestions
Gear drive cams are probably the single most overrated perceived "upgrade". As long as you replace the stock tensioner pads you will be fine for a LLLLOOOOOONNNGGG time. Just make inspecting them a part of your yearly maintenance routine. It takes 10 minutes to pull the cam cover off and inspect them. But at the end of the day it's your bike and your money.
 
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Old 09-01-2021, 06:26 AM
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Yes, I'm just staying with what I have and not converting to gear drive.

Trying to decide on cam at this point.

You actually have to pull the front exhaust to get that cover off but I know what you're saying. Just a little more than 10 minutes.


 

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Yes, I'm just staying with what I have and not converting to gear drive.

Trying to decide on cam at this point.

You actually have to pull the front exhaust to get that cover off but I know what you're saying. Just a little more than 10 minutes.
Well I guess I should have said that would depend on what exhaust you have. You're right, most people would have to pull the front pipe. My '04 had a supermeg 2-1 and the cam cover was 100% accessible. When I would change the oil I could check the tensioners while the oil was draining.
 
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If everything is staying the same then the best option is the 21 cam along with Cyco shoes.. No need for annual inspection but your call... Good for 50k.. And don't forget the cam bearings..
 


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