Twin Cam Motors Twin Cam 1998 thru 2017

Performing a Leak Down Test .. Difficultly...

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #1  
Old 08-02-2021, 06:53 PM
Kwikwilson007's Avatar
Kwikwilson007
Kwikwilson007 is offline
Advanced
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Raleigh nc
Posts: 69
Received 9 Likes on 8 Posts
Default Performing a Leak Down Test .. Difficultly...

I’ve been trying to perform a leak down test on my 07 Softail and I’ve been trying to keep the pistons at TDC in order to do this . But by putting it in high gear and holding the brake, the pistons seem to drop from tdc before the brake actually can stabilize them.. Theres the play between the compensator and the tranny causing me grief here... lol .. There’s gotta be a better way than this to hold everything in place .. Do I have to pull the primary cover and chock the chain to hold this or does anyone know of a better way .Ive been wrenching for a living forever, but not on HD . So I’m learning as I go . Any help from you guys would be appreciated.. Thanks in advance...
 
  #2  
Old 08-02-2021, 07:41 PM
djl's Avatar
djl
djl is online now
HDF Community Team
Veteran: Army
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: san antonio
Posts: 12,254
Received 2,227 Likes on 1,611 Posts
Default

Not an answer but I have been able to successfully run leak down tests on my bikes by putting the trans in first gear, rotating the rear wheel to tack out any slack and using a ratcheting tie down to lock down the rear brake. Even if the piston moves a tad from TDC, you should be able to get accurate readings once the piston is locked in position. You can always lower the input PSI; if using 100psi, try it at 90? JMHO.
 
  #3  
Old 08-02-2021, 09:02 PM
Max Headflow's Avatar
Max Headflow
Max Headflow is offline
Seasoned HDF Member
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: poway
Posts: 17,227
Received 6,016 Likes on 4,064 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Kwikwilson007
I’ve been trying to perform a leak down test on my 07 Softail and I’ve been trying to keep the pistons at TDC in order to do this . But by putting it in high gear and holding the brake, the pistons seem to drop from tdc before the brake actually can stabilize them.. Theres the play between the compensator and the tranny causing me grief here... lol .. There’s gotta be a better way than this to hold everything in place .. Do I have to pull the primary cover and chock the chain to hold this or does anyone know of a better way .Ive been wrenching for a living forever, but not on HD . So I’m learning as I go . Any help from you guys would be appreciated.. Thanks in advance...
There is a stop you can buy that fits into the crank sensor hole to hold the crank in place. IIRC Jims makes one. IMO the piston does not have to be exactly at tdc to do the leakage measurement. The important part is that both valves are closed. A little down in the cylinder may be even better as the piston may **** less with the rod pushing the piston to the side of the cylinder. The straighter piston means less leakage past the rings.

@djl Why not put the bike in top gear instead of first?
 
  #4  
Old 08-02-2021, 09:06 PM
stixvrad's Avatar
stixvrad
stixvrad is offline
Seasoned HDF Member
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Northern New Jersey
Posts: 7,173
Received 9,088 Likes on 3,634 Posts
Default

^^^^^^ What Max said....... The difference between TDC and BTC in terms of leakdown wont be very much if any at all.
 
  #5  
Old 08-02-2021, 09:23 PM
Kwikwilson007's Avatar
Kwikwilson007
Kwikwilson007 is offline
Advanced
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Raleigh nc
Posts: 69
Received 9 Likes on 8 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by djl
Not an answer but I have been able to successfully run leak down tests on my bikes by putting the trans in first gear, rotating the rear wheel to tack out any slack and using a ratcheting tie down to lock down the rear brake. Even if the piston moves a tad from TDC, you should be able to get accurate readings once the piston is locked in position. You can always lower the input PSI; if using 100psi, try it at 90? JMHO.

Were you able to keep the pistons at TDC .. I kinda thought that was really important ..
 
  #6  
Old 08-02-2021, 10:04 PM
Max Headflow's Avatar
Max Headflow
Max Headflow is offline
Seasoned HDF Member
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: poway
Posts: 17,227
Received 6,016 Likes on 4,064 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by stixvrad
^^^^^^ What Max said....... The difference between TDC and BTC in terms of leakdown wont be very much if any at all.
While it shouldn't one thing to note is that at BDC, either the intake valve or exhaust valve will typically be open. You can remove the pushrods and perform the test at BDC. Another issue is cylinder wear. It's possible for the cylinder to leak more at one location than the other. Ideally and with a tight motor, it shouldn't.
 
  #7  
Old 08-03-2021, 03:44 AM
Kwikwilson007's Avatar
Kwikwilson007
Kwikwilson007 is offline
Advanced
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Raleigh nc
Posts: 69
Received 9 Likes on 8 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Max Headflow
There is a stop you can buy that fits into the crank sensor hole to hold the crank in place. IIRC Jims makes one. IMO the piston does not have to be exactly at tdc to do the leakage measurement. The important part is that both valves are closed. A little down in the cylinder may be even better as the piston may **** less with the rod pushing the piston to the side of the cylinder. The straighter piston means less leakage past the rings.

@djl Why not put the bike in top gear instead of first?
I was under the impression that the motor would be easier to hold in place with the brake . A taller gear should require more energy to push down on the pistons..I believe I saw this somewhere in a video on doing leak down tests..
 
  #8  
Old 08-03-2021, 03:47 AM
Kwikwilson007's Avatar
Kwikwilson007
Kwikwilson007 is offline
Advanced
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Raleigh nc
Posts: 69
Received 9 Likes on 8 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by stixvrad
^^^^^^ What Max said....... The difference between TDC and BTC in terms of leakdown wont be very much if any at all.
I would think that the exhaust valve would be partially Open . Then the test is worthless.. not accurate...
 
  #9  
Old 08-03-2021, 08:07 AM
djl's Avatar
djl
djl is online now
HDF Community Team
Veteran: Army
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: san antonio
Posts: 12,254
Received 2,227 Likes on 1,611 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Max Headflow
There is a stop you can buy that fits into the crank sensor hole to hold the crank in place. IIRC Jims makes one. IMO the piston does not have to be exactly at tdc to do the leakage measurement. The important part is that both valves are closed. A little down in the cylinder may be even better as the piston may **** less with the rod pushing the piston to the side of the cylinder. The straighter piston means less leakage past the rings.

@djl Why not put the bike in top gear instead of first?
No particular reason; just the way I have done it. I have the Jim's stop but completely forgot that I had one and I used it for the last leak down test I did. Actually, performing leak down tests is why I bought the stop. It's like you say, getting old sucks but better than the alternative.
 

Last edited by djl; 08-03-2021 at 08:24 AM.
  #10  
Old 08-03-2021, 08:12 AM
Max Headflow's Avatar
Max Headflow
Max Headflow is offline
Seasoned HDF Member
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: poway
Posts: 17,227
Received 6,016 Likes on 4,064 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Kwikwilson007
I was under the impression that the motor would be easier to hold in place with the brake . A taller gear should require more energy to push down on the pistons..I believe I saw this somewhere in a video on doing leak down tests..
You are correct if trying to use the rear brake to hold crank position. Pressure on the piston puts less torque on the crank close to TDC. Taller gear reduces torque applied to the rear wheel.
 
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
djs
Milwaukee Eight (M8)
32
11-27-2021 05:30 PM
Johnnypop
Engine Mechanical Topics
1
12-10-2019 10:26 PM
Ironyman
Ironhead
2
10-18-2014 02:55 PM
2002bigbored
Touring Models
1
07-27-2008 06:47 AM
98fxd
Exhaust System Topics
4
08-04-2005 07:04 PM



Quick Reply: Performing a Leak Down Test .. Difficultly...



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:43 PM.