2013 TG. Considering adding the SE stage 1 air cleaner. Catalog states recalibration is required for proper installation. What does that mean? Cost?

If I plan on adding fuel management(Fuel Moto, etc.) would I do this recalibration and then add fuel management or would the fuel management take the place of the recalibration?

I do not plan on adding any pipes, etc at this time.

Thanks in advance.

 

If you change just your mufflers you do not need to recalibrate your EFI. However, if you change your Air Cleaner, thus bringing in more air to the combustion, then you need to recalibrate your EFI. Changing just your Air Cleaner without changing your mufflers kinda defeats the purpose. Your stock mufflers are not as free flowing as aftermarket mufflers so doing a Stage 1 Air Cleaner without changing the mufflers to allow for the increased air flow to exit would balance your system. Unfortunately, you can change your mufflers without having to recalibrate but you can't change your Air Cleaner to a Stage 1 without recalibrating. If you are adding the Fuel Management at the same time as doing the Stage 1 then the Fuel Managment System will handle your need to recalibrate.

 

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What HD means by calibration is a download the dealer does via the digital tech and HDNet and your wallet being $150 or more liter for a lean running calibration that doesn't do much more than raise your rev limiter.

If your planing fuel management save the money you would be hosed out of by the the MoFoCo and put it towards the tuning device of your choice.

 

As M3 said, the fuel management tuner from Fuel Moto, etc. would take the place of the recalibration. HD recalibration is NOT needed if you get a tuner.

 

I disagree about the Mufflers & no re-tune, but with an air filter you require a tune......
The stock air filter will flow more air than the stock exhaust will let through! It will surprise ya !
If you change the exhaust & open the system up, you need a tune ! If it can't get out it won't flow in !
Most stock engines without a cam change benefits very little with a filter change. The air flow mostly ends up slightly restricted at somewhere around 4500 & up. I can't remember exactly what that RPM is right now, but anyway what are you doing about that AFR in the lower RPM's?? You are running lean ! This being on an already lean tuned system!
Theoretically given enough time running (lots of miles) the stock system might be able to bring a little more fuel, & knock the timing out to keep from pinging at bay.
Now that is what I would call a really good tune.........NOT !!

 

Sloufoot, not sure I understand what you are trying to say about stock engines without a cam change.
I changed out my 2011 stock muffler system using V&H Deluxe mufflers,Power Duals & header, V&H air cleaner and SE Pro Tuner. Are you saying I didn't go far enough by not changing out the cam as well?
I was trying to improve the bikes performance(help with the pinging) and reduce the heat at the the same time with the changes I had done. I am trying to understand how everything works together and any suggestion will greatly be appreciated.

 

Did that work take care of the pinging? Also the heat? What are your oil temps now compared to before? Just the header/muffler change is going to make it feel cooler without the CAT. That also would make the tuner needed. That is if they(Harley) would put enough more fuel in with that SEPro tuner. They want to stay legal with the EPA.....
What I said was the stock air cleaner can flow more than most think it can. With a header, muffler, & air filter change along with a tune you might see somewhere 5 to 8 horsepower improvement. Usually around 6hp.
The biggest improvement would be seen with the change of the cams. With the change of cams you would then utilize the high flow air cleaner more.
What I said before, if you change the air cleaner without changing the exhaust wouldn't demand a different tune. The exhaust would make the bigger need for a new tune between the two. (filter or exhaust)
Your stock air filter can flow more than the stock set-up will demand. If you change the exhaust, then at the upper end of your RPM range the bigger air filter would come in to play.

 

For the most part it did improved the heat and pinging (except when I get some bad gas). As far as oil temps, I do not have a temp gauge on my bike, so I am not sure about that part. I guess I need to ask. Do I need to change the cam to get peak performance? What will be the benefits with a cam upgrade other than getting more air from the air cleaner. Would it be worth the additional cost to install/ Thanks for your input.

 

If the performance is what you are satisfied with then no you don't need a cam change. If you are in need of more horsepower & torque the cam would be the next logical move.
Many people are just fine with as far as you have gone. Many with less, or pure stock. It really only depends on what you want out of the machine.
If you run it for a while and you are happy with it, good for you. If you have a lot of money to put into it.................. the sky is the limit !
Give it some time to figure out if you have enough power where you are at right now...... You might want to consider a good cam later, but dealer installed is around $13-$1600. Also the good cams for the trike, Harley doesn't like on warranty. Unless you can get the dealer to stand behind it.