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Old 12-28-2010 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Wizard
Yup, I think everyone including me thought that was what you meant Bill. Didn't mean to put you on the hotplate.

What's weird is... with all the tunes I assist with I still haven't finished my own.
That makes sense to me. You are practicing on others so that you don't make any errors in your tune.
 
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Old 12-28-2010 | 12:55 PM
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Thanks OMS and M3. I've found a couple DJ250ix machines within 100 miles. I'm not sure they dyno motorcycles though. Both look like ATV only. I'll have to see. But for now, my tune seems to be doing nicely. Things may change when it gets hot here though. I have had a lot of fun working on the VTune and Data Master. With Mr. Wizard's help, I'm starting (repeat starting) to understand the ECM a little bit better. Some day I would like to have the dyno to see how close I got it.
If you have Mr Wizard helping you then all is well, he'll get you straight. If your willing to invest the time and have the knowledge or someone who is knowledgeable helping you out you can get pretty dang close with Vtune.
 
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Old 12-28-2010 | 01:27 PM
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That makes sense to me. You are practicing on others so that you don't make any errors in your tune.

I'm going to change your user name to Old Wizard.
 
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Old 12-28-2010 | 02:30 PM
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Is the Auto tune with the wide band going to get you a great tune or would you be better just sticking with the Harley small band and a PC-V or TTT? What all does the Auto tuner do?
And why won't the Screamin' Eagle® Street Performance Tuner Kit work on a trike?
 
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Old 12-28-2010 | 02:44 PM
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Is the Auto tune with the wide band going to get you a great tune or would you be better just sticking with the Harley small band and a PC-V or TTT? What all does the Auto tuner do?
And why won't the Screamin' Eagle® Street Performance Tuner Kit work on a trike?
I bet it does not work on a trike because who ever did the mapping of the canned maps was not able put a trike on their dyno. The street peroformance tuner kit has a limited amount of maps and from what I was told by someone who would be in the know was that every street legal combo was mapped. My guess is being they could not run it on thier dyno they could not do the street legal maps for it.
 
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Old 12-28-2010 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by dw2169
Is the Auto tune with the wide band going to get you a great tune or would you be better just sticking with the Harley small band and a PC-V or TTT? What all does the Auto tuner do?
And why won't the Screamin' Eagle® Street Performance Tuner Kit work on a trike?
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I bet it does not work on a trike because who ever did the mapping of the canned maps was not able put a trike on their dyno. The street peroformance tuner kit has a limited amount of maps and from what I was told by someone who would be in the know was that every street legal combo was mapped. My guess is being they could not run it on thier dyno they could not do the street legal maps for it.
I'm sorry but this is misinformation. There is no difference in the 103 TG than let's say the 103 Ultra Limited. You do not tune the bike. You tune the motor to the model year information.

The SEPro will work on a Trike as will the TTS or the PCV and the TMax.

The difference in wide and narrow band has been discussed to death but the narrow band (stock) is used with the stock ECM while the wide band is used with the auto tuners. (short answer) As far as which one is better is a very long argument seen on many threads and across many bike web sites.
 
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Old 12-28-2010 | 03:06 PM
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I'm sorry but this is misinformation. There is no difference in the 103 TG than let's say the 103 Ultra Limited. You do not tune the bike. You tune the motor to the model year information.

The SEPro will work on a Trike as will the TTS or the PCV and the TMax.

The difference in wide and narrow band has been discussed to death but the narrow band (stock) is used with the stock ECM while the wide band is used with the auto tuners. (short answer) As far as which one is better is a very long argument seen on many threads and across many bike web sites.
It might be misinformation but it is what is printed in the 2011 Screamin Eagle parts book on page 12. it says all touring models except Trike. The Screamin eagle street performance tuner kit is part number 41000008. I have one and it does not list the trike in any of its canned maps. It lists just about every newer model bike but no trikes, thus I stand by my reasoning why, the trike did not fit on the dyno of the person(s) who were building the maps.
 

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Call SPX. They will tell you different. Look in the HD catalog and there are many parts that says "won't fit the trike".... but they do.

There are also many here that use the SEPro on the trike, hopefully no one will ever purchase the SEStreet. All the SE canned calibrations are lousy at best but you must use a starting calibration so you can tweak it then run SmartTune or put on a trike dyno to change the VE tables and possible spark as well. It is same same as any bike with the exception of the trike's third wheel being the only difference.

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Old 12-28-2010 | 03:43 PM
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Call SPX. They will tell you different. Look in the HD catalog and there are many parts that says "won't fit the trike".... but they do.

There are also many here that use the SEPro on the trike, hopefully no one will ever purchase the SEStreet. All the SE canned calibrations are lousy at best but you must use a starting calibration so you can tweak it then run SmartTune or put on a trike dyno to change the VE tables and possible spark as well. It is same same as any bike with the exception of the trike's third wheel being the only difference.

Cheers
My stage 1 cal works very well in my 2011RGU everybody says they don't work but mine does. I might have gotten lucky but I am using the stage 1 down load from my SEPST for se a/c and slip ons and it is spot on ie does exactly what I think it should do runs crisp and clean and gets good mpg. It also runs richer then what people are led to believe street legal down loads can run. I am sure some are not as lucky but to make a blanket statement that they are lousy at best is wrong info. at least in my case. Steve Cole who used to create the down loads told me that if you run exactly what they ask you to run and do not stray from the parts they tell you to use the maps are very close.
 
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Old 12-28-2010 | 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Wizard
Call SPX. They will tell you different. Look in the HD catalog and there are many parts that says "won't fit the trike".... but they do.

There are also many here that use the SEPro on the trike, hopefully no one will ever purchase the SEStreet. All the SE canned calibrations are lousy at best but you must use a starting calibration so you can tweak it then run SmartTune or put on a trike dyno to change the VE tables and possible spark as well. It is same same as any bike with the exception of the trike's third wheel being the only difference.

Cheers
I have several parts on my 2010 Triglide that Harley said "all touring models except trike". I ran the SEPST all summer long with my base map being the 2010 Stage 2 touring. I had SE255 cams, SE Ventilator A/C and SE mufflers along with the Fuelmoto Jackpot head pipe. For something HD says won't fit trike it sure ran pretty good, wife should know because she got to experience what its like to be on a trike with the front end up. The only reason I moved to the TTS is because I went to the 30 tooth transmission sprocket and the SEPST isn't able to recalibrate for gearing changes.
 


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