LED Daytime Headlight Visibility
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So, I am wondering if anyone else has noticed this. (Sorry if this is long!)
Since the introduction of the new LED headlights, I have noticed a distinct lack of visibility of the headlights on the road during daylight. Specifically, I can be in the front of a group of riders and not be able to tell where bikes are in the pack behind me unless they have the old style (pre-Rushmore, usually) headlight bulbs. Frequently, one friend is the last guy in the group on his 2012 trike and I can clearly see his lights.
The LED lights definitely are nice at night, but in the daylight it's like you have to have them aimed right at you to even know they are on.
A friend and I recently installed our lift kits and went through the process of adjusting the headlight to compensate. His was right on after the install. Mine was a foot low before the install and worse after, of course.
He and I went out and tested visibility of the headlights as we trailed each other (he is on a 2017, I am on a 2106). I could only see his headlight sporadically as he went went up and down on gentle hills and he said the same after we switched. As I had told him, his headlight appeared to be off, as I have experienced before.
A theory we discussed was would it have anything to do with viewing the headlights behind me in my mirrors? (Crazy thought that the LED light does not reflect well in a mirror unless aimed right at it?) We plan on testing visibility without looking in the mirror.
Anyway, wondering what your thoughts are or if you have even noticed it. Obviously, being seen during the daylight is a critical safety factor.
Thanks!
And, by the way, the use of a 5/32, ball end hex wrench is critical for adjusting the headlight beam. What a pain!
Since the introduction of the new LED headlights, I have noticed a distinct lack of visibility of the headlights on the road during daylight. Specifically, I can be in the front of a group of riders and not be able to tell where bikes are in the pack behind me unless they have the old style (pre-Rushmore, usually) headlight bulbs. Frequently, one friend is the last guy in the group on his 2012 trike and I can clearly see his lights.
The LED lights definitely are nice at night, but in the daylight it's like you have to have them aimed right at you to even know they are on.
A friend and I recently installed our lift kits and went through the process of adjusting the headlight to compensate. His was right on after the install. Mine was a foot low before the install and worse after, of course.
He and I went out and tested visibility of the headlights as we trailed each other (he is on a 2017, I am on a 2106). I could only see his headlight sporadically as he went went up and down on gentle hills and he said the same after we switched. As I had told him, his headlight appeared to be off, as I have experienced before.
A theory we discussed was would it have anything to do with viewing the headlights behind me in my mirrors? (Crazy thought that the LED light does not reflect well in a mirror unless aimed right at it?) We plan on testing visibility without looking in the mirror.
Anyway, wondering what your thoughts are or if you have even noticed it. Obviously, being seen during the daylight is a critical safety factor.
Thanks!
And, by the way, the use of a 5/32, ball end hex wrench is critical for adjusting the headlight beam. What a pain!
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So, I am wondering if anyone else has noticed this. (Sorry if this is long!)
Since the introduction of the new LED headlights, I have noticed a distinct lack of visibility of the headlights on the road during daylight. Specifically, I can be in the front of a group of riders and not be able to tell where bikes are in the pack behind me unless they have the old style (pre-Rushmore, usually) headlight bulbs. Frequently, one friend is the last guy in the group on his 2012 trike and I can clearly see his lights.
The LED lights definitely are nice at night, but in the daylight it's like you have to have them aimed right at you to even know they are on.
A friend and I recently installed our lift kits and went through the process of adjusting the headlight to compensate. His was right on after the install. Mine was a foot low before the install and worse after, of course.
He and I went out and tested visibility of the headlights as we trailed each other (he is on a 2017, I am on a 2106). I could only see his headlight sporadically as he went went up and down on gentle hills and he said the same after we switched. As I had told him, his headlight appeared to be off, as I have experienced before.
A theory we discussed was would it have anything to do with viewing the headlights behind me in my mirrors? (Crazy thought that the LED light does not reflect well in a mirror unless aimed right at it?) We plan on testing visibility without looking in the mirror.
Anyway, wondering what your thoughts are or if you have even noticed it. Obviously, being seen during the daylight is a critical safety factor.
Thanks!
And, by the way, the use of a 5/32, ball end hex wrench is critical for adjusting the headlight beam. What a pain!
Since the introduction of the new LED headlights, I have noticed a distinct lack of visibility of the headlights on the road during daylight. Specifically, I can be in the front of a group of riders and not be able to tell where bikes are in the pack behind me unless they have the old style (pre-Rushmore, usually) headlight bulbs. Frequently, one friend is the last guy in the group on his 2012 trike and I can clearly see his lights.
The LED lights definitely are nice at night, but in the daylight it's like you have to have them aimed right at you to even know they are on.
A friend and I recently installed our lift kits and went through the process of adjusting the headlight to compensate. His was right on after the install. Mine was a foot low before the install and worse after, of course.
He and I went out and tested visibility of the headlights as we trailed each other (he is on a 2017, I am on a 2106). I could only see his headlight sporadically as he went went up and down on gentle hills and he said the same after we switched. As I had told him, his headlight appeared to be off, as I have experienced before.
A theory we discussed was would it have anything to do with viewing the headlights behind me in my mirrors? (Crazy thought that the LED light does not reflect well in a mirror unless aimed right at it?) We plan on testing visibility without looking in the mirror.
Anyway, wondering what your thoughts are or if you have even noticed it. Obviously, being seen during the daylight is a critical safety factor.
Thanks!
And, by the way, the use of a 5/32, ball end hex wrench is critical for adjusting the headlight beam. What a pain!
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Nature of the beast...Also brighter lights aren't safer at night, You'll just drive faster knowing you can see further, So you can Wack that deer harder...
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The reason is that they focus the light where needed, so there is less 'leakage' in other directions. Plus the old ones used the reflector on the back, so it's a bigger, softer light than the narrow, LED forward-only beam.
Another big thing I wonder is if a lot of people put on a lift kit and never went back and adjusted the headlight. That couple of degrees tilting forward by raising the back might make a big difference if it was adjusted slightly low in the first place I know it made a difference on mine.
Another big thing I wonder is if a lot of people put on a lift kit and never went back and adjusted the headlight. That couple of degrees tilting forward by raising the back might make a big difference if it was adjusted slightly low in the first place I know it made a difference on mine.
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It is good to know it's not just me. I have been concerned that I think it's dangerous in the daylight. So much so that I purchased and installed some of the DK lights and have them bolted under the floorboards. They are LED, but put out a less "narrow" beam, which people tell me can definitely be seen. (Lights and HD aux power kit together was less than $100.)
I have never seen my own trike to know just how visible the headlight is in the daylight, of course. After installing the lift kit and adjusting the headlight up to compensate, I just know it's the best I can do.
I still ride like I am invisible to cagers, regardless!
I have never seen my own trike to know just how visible the headlight is in the daylight, of course. After installing the lift kit and adjusting the headlight up to compensate, I just know it's the best I can do.
I still ride like I am invisible to cagers, regardless!
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