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Old 07-11-2014, 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by bbass
"Bother them"? You paid them to do the work and something isn't right, I would take it back to them and have them re-ajust the tune.
i would rather do it myself i can, to prevent having to take my bike back to him and drop it off. its 45 min from me and im working 12 and dont have time to take it.
 
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Old 07-11-2014, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by slammed05fatty
i would rather do it myself i can, to prevent having to take my bike back to him and drop it off. its 45 min from me and im working 12 and dont have time to take it.
That's understandable, but it is still worth calling them. If it is something you can do, they may be able to give you instructions over the phone. If not, then you can sort out how and when to get it to them.
 
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Old 07-11-2014, 06:52 AM
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OK- Here is why I say it is AFR

The idle is controlled by the throttle body and that apparently was not changed therefore if Air Fule Ratio was the same as before idle speed should be same as before. Lean Idle AFR will always generate a higher idle speed. In my opinion your AFR in low RPM's with little to no throttle is too lean. This is worsened by the cold start cycle which will teporarily raise idle until time or temperature is met then drop to fixed idle. Again all in the throttle body.

If you have the ability, document what you have now and add a little fuel in the bottom end then see if it makes a difference. If it helps maybe try a little more, if you go too far it will be like leaving the choke on and it will run rich and soot the plugs. Little steps then test are best If you are unhappy, put it back and take it back to the dyno dude.
 
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Also - AFR is established with air flowing thru the intake and the injectors squirting fuel into the air making a stoichiometric AFR for gasoline of 14.7:1 Your new cams are lifting more with longer duration so now you have more air passing thru the intake. Assuming the bottom end was not adjusted, you now have a lean AFR so the injectors must pump more fuel to get back to the desired AFR.
 
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I understand what you're saying about the AFR.
The only thing that confuses me in your approach (and I realize everyone here is just trying to help) is that the ECM will sense that it is over RPM and modify the butterfly (since these bikes don't have a Idle Air control valve) to lower the RPMs no matter what the AFR currently is.

Case in point, I can apply a -30, yes 30, to the fuel cells at idle and note that the engine sounds different, but it doesn't actually raise the idle because the ECM backs off the air flow automatically. Same if I +30. It just stays at 1000 rpm regardless.

So unless he has an intake leak the ECM should be able to account for whatever fuel mixture and control the idle anyway. That's my thinking. I dunno. This is why I'm thinking it's either set at a high RPM or there is a sensor proving a bad reading or leak somewhere. Just speculating of course.

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go here : https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...t+power+vision

find your poision and do it.
 
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I had a rubber plug come off on my trottle body causing the bike to idle as high as 1600 rpm...
 
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Originally Posted by Piggs
go here : https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...t+power+vision

find your poision and do it.

thanks for the video, that saved me from having ot look up how to do it lol i will try this today after work first.

hopefully its as simple as making the adjustment. if not i will give the dyno a call monday
 
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Nice Live Idle Feature in the Power Vision, looks like this old man needs to upgrade his old hardware...
 
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This may be a dumb question, but, did you try doing a throttle reset yet? Ignition on, off, on, off, on, off.

Occam's razor...... All things being equal, the correct solution is usually the simplest.
 


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