Will I need an oil cooler or fans added toa 2010 SG?
#21
I guess I'm the contrarian here, but were it me, I'd go with the biggest oil filter that would fit first, then the Wards fans second. The idea is to cool the oil and the entire engine, in my opinion, and the oil cooler will do that. If it's still a problem, then yeah, I'd go with the Wards fans. Mine is only an 88, and I have gotten to the point in life, due to my age and because of the chemo I've had in the past, that if it's too hot, it ain't fun, and since I ride for fun, why ride on a scorching day! Wasn't that way earlier in my life, but things change. Plus my FLHX is only an 88, an engine not particularly known for over heating.
#22
Stock 96 cu in Harleys run pretty cool, unless stuck in traffic on a pretty hot day. If that is where you find yourself, then the wards fans could be pretty effective.
Driving down the road, they get plenty of cooling air.
Some like an oil cooler to give extra engine protection. Harley made this standard when they moved up to the larger, 103 engine. It is mostly usefull when riding fully loaded or two up on long uphill graded.
Depends on your driving style which cooling (or none) would be helpful to you.
Of all the fans, the ones from Wards seems to get the most praise. They run quiet, are effective, look good, and are well built.
Driving down the road, they get plenty of cooling air.
Some like an oil cooler to give extra engine protection. Harley made this standard when they moved up to the larger, 103 engine. It is mostly usefull when riding fully loaded or two up on long uphill graded.
Depends on your driving style which cooling (or none) would be helpful to you.
Of all the fans, the ones from Wards seems to get the most praise. They run quiet, are effective, look good, and are well built.
#23
A lot of opinions and suggestions here, but it will all depend on what you really believe in. Bottom line to keep in mind is that it is always best to remove heat from an internal combustion engine, if you can remove heat more efficiently the oil will not break down as fast, thus keeping your internals cooler and should help the engine last longer and perform better. Water cooled engines do just that, and does anyone remember on older vehicles that started running hot you would turn the heater on to dissipate more heat from the engine.
So I would tell anyone that asked me what to do, I would say its cheap insurance, especially if youre worried about overheating. No ones opinion will sway your decision, so go with a gut feeling
You also can help yourself by making sure the fins and cases are clean and not built up with bugs/dirt/grease, not blocking air flow over the engine, and by adding fans and/or a cooler if you run a lot in 100+ degree temps like Az and other places like that. If youre in Seattle I doubt you will need anything like that.Sure HD's have been around for ever without coolers but todays engines due to emissions are running hotter than in the past.
So I would tell anyone that asked me what to do, I would say its cheap insurance, especially if youre worried about overheating. No ones opinion will sway your decision, so go with a gut feeling
You also can help yourself by making sure the fins and cases are clean and not built up with bugs/dirt/grease, not blocking air flow over the engine, and by adding fans and/or a cooler if you run a lot in 100+ degree temps like Az and other places like that. If youre in Seattle I doubt you will need anything like that.Sure HD's have been around for ever without coolers but todays engines due to emissions are running hotter than in the past.
#24
I have had an Ultracool, a Jagg Fan Assisted Oil Cooler, and Ward's Fans.
In my opinion, Ward's Fans do more than any oil cooler will EVER do as far as keeping the bike running cool. My '10 SG with Ultracool was still hot as heck when I rode in 100+ degree weather in Phoenix and even in the 90's in the Sierras.
Wards Fans keep my new bike cool whether rolling or stopped. My right leg gets a little warm, but the motor is happy and runs way better.
In my opinion, Ward's Fans do more than any oil cooler will EVER do as far as keeping the bike running cool. My '10 SG with Ultracool was still hot as heck when I rode in 100+ degree weather in Phoenix and even in the 90's in the Sierras.
Wards Fans keep my new bike cool whether rolling or stopped. My right leg gets a little warm, but the motor is happy and runs way better.
#25
RickK, you don't "need" anything. Without any modifications the bike will run in the worst environment you can tolerate. However, just running, and running at optimum potential are two entirely different things. Cooling is not a necessity, its a luxury, but it has much utility. I have recently done some performance testing with new data logging equipment that shows very well just what the FCS does. Anyone who tells you a bike doesn't get hot while you are moving or in a cold climate, literally doesn't know what they are talking about, because they have no way of making a valid observation. Ask someone with a Power Vision LCD if the front head gets hot while they are moving at highway speed or when its 40 degrees outside (this would be a completely different discussion if people could see the rear head temp). All fans are not the same, my fans will do more than an oil cooler, for less money. Good luck with the decision.
#26
First off to each their own. I recently installed both the Ward's FCS system and the Jagg oil cooler with the fan assist. I have Dakota Digital gauges and I can see my fwd cylinder head temp, and my oil temp while riding. There are plenty of Harley's running around without oil coolers in hot climates. But if you can do something to preserve and extend the life of your engine why wouldn't you?
I will say I am impressed with the FCS system. As I start the engine and just let it idle I can watch the CHT rise then see the FCS system kick in and drop the engine temp. Also if you read Jason's research he has done he talks about heat soak after you shut down and the fans kick in and assist the engine to cool down. Everything works as advertised.
I will say I am impressed with the FCS system. As I start the engine and just let it idle I can watch the CHT rise then see the FCS system kick in and drop the engine temp. Also if you read Jason's research he has done he talks about heat soak after you shut down and the fans kick in and assist the engine to cool down. Everything works as advertised.
#27
As Jason and others have stated, you don't "need" anything. But if you can afford it and take pride in helping your engine run cooler than Harley ever imagined, then an oil cooler and the Ward FCS is hard to beat. If you can only do one, go with Jason's FCS and you wont be sorry. This is especially important if you ever believe you might be riding in a parade situation, heavy stop and go traffic, or if you decide to keep your bike stock (lean).
#28
Exactly... They may do "something" but whatever it is they do accomplish isn't necessary. I have an 09 with 65k with cams and it runs exactly the way the harley gods designed it to.
#30