No Cat Head Pipes
#11
10-05-2013 | 08:26 AM
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From: SE Michigan
I just put the Vance and Hines on mine. If the placement issue was that it was to high making the wire to short to route the same way the original did. It has not been addressed. Had to either take it over the top of the transmission which I didn't like or around the transmission cover which really pulls on the wire. I chose option two and just hoping my wire doesn't break.
#12
10-05-2013 | 08:33 AM
Cruiser
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From: Woodstock Ga
fuel moto
I bought in to all that Fuel Moto crap a couple of years ago. A 107 motor getting 116hp and 120 something torque. I did the total pkg bore kit,heads polished, header pipe, exhaust pipes, thunder max(which came with a stock/standard program) etc., etc. The numbers were no where close to what they advertise. Fuel Moto kept telling me it was an install or tune problem. After taking the bike to several shops to diagnose (even one Fuel Moto recommended), check tuning and all that. it was determined all was done correctly. The only thing wrong was the advertised numbers. Every shop laughed at idea of 107 getting that good of numbers. However last year I ripped off Fuel Moto header pipe and exhaust, put Rinehart true duals on and got an instant 12 hp and 8-10 torque. That being said the header pipe is the restriction cat or no cat
#13
10-05-2013 | 08:34 AM
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From: Northern California
Has anyone heard about the BUB Seven Cat Mufflers with BUB TDX Headers? They claim to work well and their EPA sound compliant as well as California Emission compliant. Great looking system too. I have been thinking about the system for my 2014 Limited. I want to stay "legal" this time but want a little more sound over my stock system. Actually happy with the power of my bike stock.
http://bub.com/index.cfm
http://bub.com/index.cfm
#14
10-05-2013 | 08:54 AM
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From: New Jersey
Catless stock header was $135 delivered on ebay. Fuel Moto starts at $479. Mine still looks factory original, runs cooler, and sounds better. Exactly what I was looking for.
I don't think I'll ever feel the difference. But, it would be interesting to see dyno comparisons. Still, I don't think I'd miss a few ft/lbs of torque or a couple of horses.
I don't think I'll ever feel the difference. But, it would be interesting to see dyno comparisons. Still, I don't think I'd miss a few ft/lbs of torque or a couple of horses.
I got my de-catted header from Ebay, too (bobvic2). I liked the way he did the job (cut-out & re-weld). My SG now performs better, runs cooler and sounds great, all for only $135!
Unless you're planning major performance upgrades (Stage 2, 3 or 4), then a stock, de-catted header is all that a typical rider really needs.
To each his own...
By the way, I LOVE the color on that SG. VERY nice!
#15
10-05-2013 | 09:19 AM
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From: Santa Cruz
I was running a stock catless '09 header. Got a deal on a used Fullsack Xpipe. I was not expecting much difference but lost alot of heat and picked up some power making 6th gear much more useable. I was extremely surprised with the difference just the header made. Your results may differ?
#16
10-05-2013 | 09:22 AM
Tourer
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From: Iowa
Taking Cats out of stock headers works but it does not work as well as a good Header like Fuel Moto 2-1-2.
I wasted my time doing it the cheap way .
Notice hanging on the wall left side so yes I have been there done that .
Even with a tune the removing the Cats from stock headers results in a loss of torque and no tune will fix that. Even if you keep stock pipes. HD had to free up the stock exhaust a bit to make up for the restriction of the Cats.
Going with a good Header like 2-1-2 bike tunes better and easier and you get the torque it should have.
Wait save the cash do it right your bike will tahnk you
I wasted my time doing it the cheap way .
Notice hanging on the wall left side so yes I have been there done that .
Even with a tune the removing the Cats from stock headers results in a loss of torque and no tune will fix that. Even if you keep stock pipes. HD had to free up the stock exhaust a bit to make up for the restriction of the Cats.
Going with a good Header like 2-1-2 bike tunes better and easier and you get the torque it should have.
Wait save the cash do it right your bike will tahnk you
#17
10-05-2013 | 09:27 AM
#20
10-05-2013 | 11:59 AM
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From: On the rails
I concur on the stock decatted head pipes. I also bought mine on ebay for $120and absolutely love them, reduced heat, WAY better sound and quicker throttle response. I have not noticed any reduction in power or torque, if anything I feel there is more of each.... Save your money and do it this way.