Why I wanted a 14, but staying with my 09
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Caught me! LOL. So here is the update. I was able to finangle a 14 model without having to sell my 09. The reason I wanted to keep my 09 is I want to have a shark and this 09 Ultra is a great conversion candidate. I am building a 120 torque engine for it.
The update. I was very happy with the CCE triple and the mods I made to the 09. It truly does ride and handle equal to the 2014 limited, however for the day to day usefulness of a main ride Harley did a nice job on the Rushmore's.
Comparisons and observations.
Handling - With the CCE triple very comparable. I did put the progressives in the 09 and it was a little stiffer suspension. I actually like the stock 14 suspension. So driving and handling wise, they are equal machines.
Safety - The dual front and rear ABS brakes, definitely another step in the right direction. The 09 has ABS and I've used it before when a large mule deer jumped out in front of me in northern Nevada. The noise that ABS made scared the heck out of the deer and he jumped out of the way.
Engine - My 09 has a Screamin Eagle 103 big bore kit, 255 cams and a SE tune and runs very nicely. The stock 103 Wet Head in the Limited runs equally as well. I think the 14 is a little smoother. Those new cams and the tune from the factory are very nice.
Radio system - The stock 09 radio works quite well for the AM FM CB. Both radios have some quirks - the 09 radio has a weird throttle related static in the intercom system that is a mystery to everyone. The 14 radio is an ongoing experiment with Harley but software upgrades keep improving it. The new radio system with the GPS and Bluetooth is awesome. Receiving a quick call from the wife with a "be home soon" type call is very handy. Pushing a button and saying "call wife" and it all works is as simple as talking on the CB. The CB and phone I use minimally for essential communications only. The fingertip controls and handsfree voice commands are great also. The GPS is nice and being able to plan a route and program it in is a great feature also. The radio is probably the biggest difference I know of between a Rushmore and a "modified" pre bike.
Incidentals. Comfort- both bikes have heated hammock seats, an absolute must. I really like the heated grips on the Rushmore, but that could be added to a pre bike. The mailslot isn't as big a deal as a good shield, I have LRS on both bikes with similar good results. The 14 bag handles are ok but not that big of a deal. What I have noticed is that the 14 bag twist locks are not accessible from the back side of the bags which should make it hard for them to be stolen, never a problem yet for me but still a concern.
So this winter the 09 is going to get taken apart for a new (unnecessary) 120 engine and Shark conversion. I haven't picked out the radio yet but I have time to develop a nice plan for a bike I really love and still ride.
Hope this gives some realistic comparisons that are helpful to someone.
The update. I was very happy with the CCE triple and the mods I made to the 09. It truly does ride and handle equal to the 2014 limited, however for the day to day usefulness of a main ride Harley did a nice job on the Rushmore's.
Comparisons and observations.
Handling - With the CCE triple very comparable. I did put the progressives in the 09 and it was a little stiffer suspension. I actually like the stock 14 suspension. So driving and handling wise, they are equal machines.
Safety - The dual front and rear ABS brakes, definitely another step in the right direction. The 09 has ABS and I've used it before when a large mule deer jumped out in front of me in northern Nevada. The noise that ABS made scared the heck out of the deer and he jumped out of the way.
Engine - My 09 has a Screamin Eagle 103 big bore kit, 255 cams and a SE tune and runs very nicely. The stock 103 Wet Head in the Limited runs equally as well. I think the 14 is a little smoother. Those new cams and the tune from the factory are very nice.
Radio system - The stock 09 radio works quite well for the AM FM CB. Both radios have some quirks - the 09 radio has a weird throttle related static in the intercom system that is a mystery to everyone. The 14 radio is an ongoing experiment with Harley but software upgrades keep improving it. The new radio system with the GPS and Bluetooth is awesome. Receiving a quick call from the wife with a "be home soon" type call is very handy. Pushing a button and saying "call wife" and it all works is as simple as talking on the CB. The CB and phone I use minimally for essential communications only. The fingertip controls and handsfree voice commands are great also. The GPS is nice and being able to plan a route and program it in is a great feature also. The radio is probably the biggest difference I know of between a Rushmore and a "modified" pre bike.
Incidentals. Comfort- both bikes have heated hammock seats, an absolute must. I really like the heated grips on the Rushmore, but that could be added to a pre bike. The mailslot isn't as big a deal as a good shield, I have LRS on both bikes with similar good results. The 14 bag handles are ok but not that big of a deal. What I have noticed is that the 14 bag twist locks are not accessible from the back side of the bags which should make it hard for them to be stolen, never a problem yet for me but still a concern.
So this winter the 09 is going to get taken apart for a new (unnecessary) 120 engine and Shark conversion. I haven't picked out the radio yet but I have time to develop a nice plan for a bike I really love and still ride.
Hope this gives some realistic comparisons that are helpful to someone.
Last edited by FLYER; 06-30-2014 at 02:55 PM.
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The CCE kit uses the stock lower triple but no parts from a 14. The CCE's are for the pre 14 41mm tubes. The CCE upper triple is a cnc'd billet piece. The 2" longer tubes go UP into the upper triple, ride height and length of tubes below the lower triple remains the same. So in the CCE kit you get the upper tree and the replacement forks. You can use the stock Harley internals if you wish, I used progressive monotubes with fine results.
Last edited by FLYER; 07-24-2014 at 12:44 PM.
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The CCE kit uses the stock lower triple but no parts from a 14. The CCE's are for the pre 14 41mm tubes. The CCE upper triple is a cnc'd billet piece. The 2" longer tubes go UP into the upper triple, ride height and length of tubes below the lower triple remains the same. So in the CCE kit you get the upper tree and the replacement forks. You can use the stock Harley internals if you wish, I used progressive monotubes with fine results.
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You are correct about the CCE solution in that you can keep all your current components. When you order the CCE kit if you have monotubes you need to purchase the caps for the tubes that extend the length inside for the monotubes (extra $100 or so). I've ridden the '14 and currently have an '08 Road Glide with the CCE kit and can tell you it's a pricy peace, but makes a world of difference in the handling of my old frame bike. I bet an '09+ bike would be even better.