2014 Harley FLHTK Twin Cooled testing & info by Fuel Moto
#241
08-30-2013, 02:30 PM
Seasoned HDF Member
The engineers hands are tied by the marketing and finance people.
I am sure that if you were able to ask the engineers what they wanted you would see many different things. As an engineer I can tell you that not many of my ideal designs go from paper to real world. You get told "Make it less expensive" or "Make it faster to implement". I doubt it was the engineers idea to use a caged bearing on the cams. They were told to engineer to a price.
I am sure that if you were able to ask the engineers what they wanted you would see many different things. As an engineer I can tell you that not many of my ideal designs go from paper to real world. You get told "Make it less expensive" or "Make it faster to implement". I doubt it was the engineers idea to use a caged bearing on the cams. They were told to engineer to a price.
Ultimately, in any organization, the bean counters have the most influence over the final product. I'm sure the engineers have argued many points, to no avail, over the years.
There are probably more than a few engineers who go home every night thinking, "We are so close to an awesome bike! Those damn bean-counters screw everything up!"
I'm glad to see the MOCO making any positive changes... there will always be room for improvement....
#242
08-30-2013, 02:59 PM
#243
08-30-2013, 03:46 PM
I think there's a lot left on the table for the 110, they probably left the compression the same, the same 50mm throttle body, the same 255 cams, just pumped some coolant thru the heads and added a new compensator. they should have massive gains with a little more compression and cams.
2013 110 - 9.2:1 compression, 118 ft. lbs.
2014 Twin-Cooled 110 - 9.2:1 compression, 115.1 ft. lbs.
The new Twin-Cooled 110 is factory rated at LESS torque than the 2013 version? I'm confused. Like others have said, the 103 Twin-Cooled graph looks promising, but the 110 graph is disappointing.
#244
08-30-2013, 06:21 PM
Cruiser
look up the ultra limited specs now...
burgie
burgie
Interesting. I just looked up the 2013 and 2014 specs on the 110 CVO motors on the MOCO site.
2013 110 - 9.2:1 compression, 118 ft. lbs.
2014 Twin-Cooled 110 - 9.2:1 compression, 115.1 ft. lbs.
The new Twin-Cooled 110 is factory rated at LESS torque than the 2013 version? I'm confused. Like others have said, the 103 Twin-Cooled graph looks promising, but the 110 graph is disappointing.
2013 110 - 9.2:1 compression, 118 ft. lbs.
2014 Twin-Cooled 110 - 9.2:1 compression, 115.1 ft. lbs.
The new Twin-Cooled 110 is factory rated at LESS torque than the 2013 version? I'm confused. Like others have said, the 103 Twin-Cooled graph looks promising, but the 110 graph is disappointing.
#245
08-30-2013, 06:32 PM
Guess you read me wrong. I think the water cooling is completely unnecessary and apparently it doesn't help much. I just don't see the need for all the added crap. I've already been reading stories about the EITMS kicking in sooner than on the air cooled bikes. Please tell me the benefit of adding all that crap for one lousy quart of coolant. Maybe I'm missing something but I just don't get it.
Rick
#246
08-30-2013, 06:40 PM
Limited for comparison:
2013 Ultra Limited - 9.6:1 compression, 100 ft. lbs
2014 Ultra Limited - 10.0:1 compression, 105.5 ft lbs
2013 Ultra Limited - 9.6:1 compression, 100 ft. lbs
2014 Ultra Limited - 10.0:1 compression, 105.5 ft lbs
Interesting. I just looked up the 2013 and 2014 specs on the 110 CVO motors on the MOCO site.
2013 110 - 9.2:1 compression, 118 ft. lbs.
2014 Twin-Cooled 110 - 9.2:1 compression, 115.1 ft. lbs.
The new Twin-Cooled 110 is factory rated at LESS torque than the 2013 version? I'm confused. Like others have said, the 103 Twin-Cooled graph looks promising, but the 110 graph is disappointing.
2013 110 - 9.2:1 compression, 118 ft. lbs.
2014 Twin-Cooled 110 - 9.2:1 compression, 115.1 ft. lbs.
The new Twin-Cooled 110 is factory rated at LESS torque than the 2013 version? I'm confused. Like others have said, the 103 Twin-Cooled graph looks promising, but the 110 graph is disappointing.
#248
08-30-2013, 06:42 PM
#249
08-30-2013, 06:59 PM
#250
08-30-2013, 07:58 PM
Big Kahuna HDF Member
