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#41
08-22-2013 | 04:23 AM
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From studying internal combustion engines for the last 40 years. If you don't understand how a water cooled engine that only cools the exhaust ports is substandard to one that cools the heads and cylinders then you should refrain from any conversation regarding internal combustion engine thermal dynamics.
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#42
08-22-2013 | 05:51 AM
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OK, so maybe this stuff isn't "new" but still fun to make fun of. Here's some interesting info from the vrod folks.
As we all know, Harley-Davidson doesn't make chemicals. But they do sell chemicals with the H-D logo on them.
Recently, I stumbled across a thread from another website that revealed many of those chemical's true manufacturers (BTW, most of the H-D lubricants are made by Citgo). But the thread doesn't list the manufacturer of H-D antifreeze. So, I did a little investigation.
I went to the local dealership
and asked for the MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) of H-D Extended Life 50/50 Prediluted Antifreeze & Coolant. They printed it out for me and I called the manufacturer listed as the "Supplier". It is supplied to H-D by Old World Industries, Inc. My question to the company was, "Is this antifreeze available for sale under any other label?"
Drum roll please...Peak Global Lifetime 50/50 in a gold-colored bottle.
I found it at NAPA in 50/50 form and in full strength.
H-D dealership price: $20.00
NAPA price: $9.59
NAPA price for full strength (undiluted): $12.99
But what should be of significant interest isn't just the price; this antifreeze is compatible with "any color antifreeze" and it "Provides a guaranteed LifeTime of maximum protection when a complete cooling system flush and fill is performed."
Since the Peak Global Lifetime antifreeze is exactly the same as H-D antifreeze (verified by matching MSDS), you can add any antifreeze to your V-Rod without harm to the system. However, since all V-Rods are shipped with this same "Lifetime" antifreeze, it never needs changing so long as you never add any other type or contaminate.
So, is the 28,000 mile coolant change interval just another way to make money? According to the lifetime guarantee on the label of the bottle, yes, it certainly is... but I think that I'll change it anyway for $10.
As we all know, Harley-Davidson doesn't make chemicals. But they do sell chemicals with the H-D logo on them.
Recently, I stumbled across a thread from another website that revealed many of those chemical's true manufacturers (BTW, most of the H-D lubricants are made by Citgo). But the thread doesn't list the manufacturer of H-D antifreeze. So, I did a little investigation.
I went to the local dealership
and asked for the MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) of H-D Extended Life 50/50 Prediluted Antifreeze & Coolant. They printed it out for me and I called the manufacturer listed as the "Supplier". It is supplied to H-D by Old World Industries, Inc. My question to the company was, "Is this antifreeze available for sale under any other label?"Drum roll please...Peak Global Lifetime 50/50 in a gold-colored bottle.
I found it at NAPA in 50/50 form and in full strength.
H-D dealership price
: $20.00NAPA price: $9.59
NAPA price for full strength (undiluted): $12.99
But what should be of significant interest isn't just the price; this antifreeze is compatible with "any color antifreeze" and it "Provides a guaranteed LifeTime of maximum protection
when a complete cooling system flush and fill is performed."Since the Peak Global Lifetime antifreeze is exactly the same as H-D antifreeze (verified by matching MSDS), you can add any antifreeze to your V-Rod without harm to the system. However, since all V-Rods are shipped with this same "Lifetime" antifreeze, it never needs changing so long as you never add any other type
or contaminate. So, is the 28,000 mile coolant change interval just another way to make money? According to the lifetime guarantee on the label of the bottle, yes, it certainly is... but I think that I'll change it anyway for $10.
9 DAYS OF SANDSUCKING LEFT!!!!!!!!!!
#43
08-22-2013 | 06:54 AM
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From: CT
Man these threads are fun to read..Im sure the 14's run great. The water cooling is needed to some, and Halrey had to do it eventually. It was going to happen.. Personally i like simple. Less is more in my book. Sure the fairing works great probably, i guess its nice to have a touch screen thingy in the middle of the fairing?.. Is it needed? .Absolutely not, but they will do great as always. People will complain as always. I look at in my eyes the things that if anything would push me to a 14. The upgraded forks, larger saddlebags and tourpack, redesigned compensator design (hopefully it works) ..I dont like linked brakes at all , had them on a couple bikes, personally i dont need water cooling, again less is more to me, and my bike runs beautifully without it and stays nice and cool. If i want to go faster eventually, fuel moto it is.
So for me i love my 10.. It is a great step forward in my eyes for Harley as the added pressure over the years have forced them to make changes. They needed the push
So for me i love my 10.. It is a great step forward in my eyes for Harley as the added pressure over the years have forced them to make changes. They needed the push
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