Was the difference you noticed in the lower rpm range or more wide open high rpm? But honestly, I'm trying to gauge the actual difference between stock 103 to this setup.
Wasn't aware of the bung issue though. Do you know many others that went the auto tune route with wide band sensors? Most I've come across grt along fine with the auto tune basic.

 

Thanks, much appreciated!

 

I do not have a "respectable" tuner anywhere near by, and "I" decided when I bought the PV that this was the route I would go, the wide bands open the door some more for the individual and take things a step further. But I will be doing more than a stage 1, so this is why I went this route. I'm not saying what I can do with it will be as complete as a competent guy tuning my bike on the dyne, but it will be better than just running a canned map. We live in a much different altitude and climate than where most of these maps come from, so they needs tweaking.

Wide band or not is a decision you have to make, all I'm saying is if you're going true duals, the Dragos headers give you more for the money, and probably more for less money. You never know when down the road your intentions/desires might change on what you want to do with the bike, so why wouldn't you get the pipe that gives you more options for the same coin?

This bike with the 2-1 is a huge improvement everywhere across the power band feel of the pants, but the 2-1 I first got is gone and my Dragula will be home soon then I can have fun with the wide band sensors auto tuning for it. Can't wait.

I was always a true duals guy, but I'm really digging this 2-1 stuff. If you want to run (2) mufflers there lot of other options like the V&H power duals which are great, but I was giving you a better decision that is True Duals like the header you were asking about.

I'm not trying to start an argument about what's better just giving you information based on experience. True Duals have their place, but if you want to go that route you would be better off with a complete "system" such as the full dragos setup or the Rinehart complete system, because all of the components were designed for a certain goal, you're not piece mealing one thing with another.

Where do you ride, where do you want the power, you can have it any way you want, just depends on how deep the rabbit hole you have at the bank is.......

 

I appreciate your input and feedback. I'm only planning on a Stage 1 but you know how that goes. I'm also leaning heavily on the PV route. I like the idea of not having to depend on the dealer for most mechanical needs. I will only go with the Autotune module with wideband sensors if I feel I need to after trying the Autotune basic. But I see your point about having the capability to use the widebands if necessary. I didn't know that about the dresser duals.
I have also considered and looked at the Power Duals, as well as Fuel Motos 2-1-2 Jackpot header but really like the dresser duals. I know I give up a lot compared to the others mentioned, but I want to see how they compare to stock. I'm coming from eight years riding an 88 with a good Stage 1 to the stock 103 and about 225 lb's heavier and I'm not disappointed with the 103 at all.....
except for the heat, lean condition, catalytic converter (on a bike...really?) and basic "detune" from the factory. If the dresser duals give me any increase at all over stock, no matter how small..... I'm happy. I just don't want to "lose" anything from what I have now. And I'm looking for some factual proof.
Do you know if the Power Duals have the larger bungs for the wideband sensors? I'm assuming the Jackpots do coming from FM. What vendor is pushing the Dragos?

 

The Dragos you get from Frank, As for the Power duals, unless I'm reading their site wrong, no for the 2010+ bikes only the 12MM bungs for the O2 sensors. Also don't forget about Fullsac for the headers.....

You can also get a ghost pipe with the Dragos and have the look of duals and the advantages of the 2-1.......

http://www.dragosbikeworks.com

http://www.fullsac.com/sleeperkit103stage1.html

 

Thanks for the links Gabe!

 

Nobody else has any numbers with this setup???

 

I have the exact setup that you mention. I have never had it on a dyno though. I use the Screaming Eagle tuner. I can tell you that there are several big hills out here that I used to have to shift down on when cruising, now I power over them in 6th gear no problem.

 

check out the touring dyno post... lotsa numbers and setups

 

Yeah, spent hours looking thru there. Haven't found any with the setup listed without cams, headwork, etc..