Thanks. Ya, was very nice after the Vmax, but killed the wrists after any long rides.

 

I road raced a couple years at Loudon, NH. Sliding to the inside edge of the seat makes a big difference, but your feet need to be underneath you to pick up your weight. Can't do that with footboards or forward controls.
I had a girlfriend who used to hang off the inside of her sporty when we rode the twisties - I liked watching her tiny *** slide around when following her.

 

I've done track days on my sport bikes and used to ride my harleys pretty hard. While "hanging off" definitely increases cornering speed, even on a big Harley, it is very squidlike on the street. Riding over 70-80% on the street isn't leaving any/much room for idiots and/or hazards that pop up. Nearing 65 the sport bikes are gone but I still have a SM to play really slow racer with when I get the urge. While I don't really hang off, moving on the seat and/or weighting the pegs/boards does indeed make a real difference and is a good habit for everyone to master.

 

Too much hanging off

 

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE buy Twist of the Wrist 2 video by Keith Code! PLEASE! Then buy the book, then take a CSS class. It will answer questions about motorcycle riding that you didn't even know you had. my 2cents.

 

That's a misconception that you shouldn't spread.

Counter steer means to steer in the direction opposite of the direction you want to turn. Put another way, push right to turn right. By pushing on the right handle bar you turn the front wheel to the left... "Counter Steer". If at anytime during a right turn you turn the front wheel to the right (push on the left handle bar) the bike will straighten up & begin to turn to the left. Try it, but in an open space & at a reasonable speed.

 

Hanging off is the standard today for sport riders, there were people like "Mike (The Bike) Hailwood" that rode a different style and for me on these big touring bikes I find it more applicable.

"Mike somehow got his bike to lean angles which were greater than his competitors could achieve, but he didn't hang off the bike like modern riders do. He was famous for wearing through the leather on his boots so far that he would grind his toes on the road, with bloody results."

 

I ride both. I haven't really every had the desire to "drag a knee" on a touring bike. Different bikes for different purposes. If I feel the need to carve turns at high speed, I take the sport bike.

 

I know for a fact that shifting your weight to the inside of the turn makes the bike more stable in addition to decreasing the lean angle necessary for a given speed. If you look at the video I posted at the track, I am keeping my knees in tight to avoid dragging them on the ground, those leathers don't have knee sliders. There is much to be gained by shifting your weight up on the inside 'cheek', if you will. Try it and see. You can do this with floorboards or forward controls; you don't don't need to try and put the weight on the feet as you would on a sport bike. The most stable (and fastest) way around a corner is with body weight steering and NO input on the bars. Light hands are the key to fast and safe cornering, bike do NOT like to be man- handled! :-) Reg Pridmore is 3 time AMA Superbike champ and holds numerous World Titles when he raced in his native England. His son Jason was World Endurance champ in addition to numerous AMA Supersport championships. Keith Code never won anything, FYI, but he talks a good game, I bought all his books and took some superbike schools to see what he was all about.
As for those crash photos, I'm sure they all are about entering a corner faster than they realized, panicked and either let off the gas or applied the brakes and lost the front or back, even though they probably could have made the turn with smooth inputs.
I've seen it so many times in person....:-( cheers!

 

he's NOT countersteering, he's crashing.