Finally got my biked tuned right 129hp/129ftlbs
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Dont get upset but I'm a little bit skeptical. 3 tuners all were with in a couple of horsepower and then you take it to this guy and he somehow pulls out 18hp and 14tq? Not likely, more likely a generous dyno. The important thing is your happy and it runs great with crisp throttle response.
1) Joe did a baseline dyno on my bike while I was standing there and before he had any clue as to the bike's performance. What did his original baseline dyno show? ....110hp / 116ftlbs Almost exactly what the previous dyno located 250 miles away and run almost a year ago showed. So the results were remarkably similar as a baseline before any tuning.
2) I know this bike like the back of my hand after 20,000+ miles. I also know what modest improvements to the fuel map feels like after dyno tuning (I've had three previous dyno tunes so I know exactly what "modest" improvements feel like).
After Joe's tuning, there was no "modest" increase in the seat-o-pants meter. The bike simply jumped whenever and wherever I asked it to.
Was I skeptical before?.... absolutely! That's exactly why I decided that the 3+ hr drive wasn't worth the effort. It's also why I ended up spending $ on 3 local tuners....because they were local and ultimately I paid the real price in lost performance.
I'm no longer skeptical, and most guy's that have taken the same path as I have came to the same conclusion. Joe requires leaving the bike for a week, he charges abit more but then again tuning is 80% of the work his shop does. Whether it's tuning supercharger bikes, turbo-charged bikes, Hyabusas etc, he tunes them.
So that leaves guy's looking to tune their efi engine with a choice, they can tune at a shop where 80% of the work is changing oil and tires or at a shop where 80% of the work is tuning. My skepticism cost me 2 years of performance that had me lol while riding last night. My skepticism has been completely resolved.
Other's can believe what they wish but both the hard facts of my baseline dyno and my seat-o-pants meter are hard to argue with.
Last edited by Heatwave; 03-15-2012 at 09:59 AM.
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Dont get upset but I'm a little bit skeptical. 3 tuners all were with in a couple of horsepower and then you take it to this guy and he somehow pulls out 18hp and 14tq? Not likely, more likely a generous dyno. The important thing is your happy and it runs great with crisp throttle response.
Here's the dyno comparison. Very similar to your #s (134hp/137ftlbs) with stronger trq in the lower rpms (compared to my 110") which makes sense given the larger displacement.
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Last edited by Heatwave; 03-15-2012 at 09:58 AM.
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Trust me, definitely not upset. In fact I tended to agree with your skepticism except for 2 very important facts.
1) Joe did a baseline dyno on my bike while I was standing there and before he had any clue as to the bike's performance. What did his originally baseline dyno show? ....110hp / 116ftlbs Almost exactly what the previous dyno located 250 miles away and run almost a year ago showed. So the results were remarkably similar as a baseline before any tuning.
2) I know this bike like the back of my hand after 20,000+ miles. I also know what modest improvements to the fuel map feels like after dyno tuning (I've had three previous dyno tunes so I know exactly what "modest" improvements feel like).
After Joe's tuning, there was no "modest" increase in the seat-o-pants meter. The bike simply jumped whenever and wherever I asked it to.
Was I skeptical before?.... absolutely! That's exactly why I decided that the 3+ hr drive wasn't worth the effort. It's also why I ended up spending $ on 3 local tuners....because they were local and ultimately I paid the real price in lost performance.
I'm no longer skeptical, and most guy's that have taken the same path as I have came to the same conclusion. Joe requires leaving the bike for a week, he charges abit more but then again tuning is 80% of the work his shop does. Whether it's tuning supercharger bikes, turbo-charged bikes, Hyabusas etc, he tunes them.
So that leaves guy's looking to tune their efi engine with a choice, they can tune at a shop where 80% of the work is changing oil and tires or at a shop where 80% of the work is tuning. My skepticism cost me 2 years of performance that had me lol while riding last night. My skepticism has been completely resolved.
Other's can believe what they wish but both the hard facts of my baseline dyno and my seat-o-pants meter are hard to argue with.
1) Joe did a baseline dyno on my bike while I was standing there and before he had any clue as to the bike's performance. What did his originally baseline dyno show? ....110hp / 116ftlbs Almost exactly what the previous dyno located 250 miles away and run almost a year ago showed. So the results were remarkably similar as a baseline before any tuning.
2) I know this bike like the back of my hand after 20,000+ miles. I also know what modest improvements to the fuel map feels like after dyno tuning (I've had three previous dyno tunes so I know exactly what "modest" improvements feel like).
After Joe's tuning, there was no "modest" increase in the seat-o-pants meter. The bike simply jumped whenever and wherever I asked it to.
Was I skeptical before?.... absolutely! That's exactly why I decided that the 3+ hr drive wasn't worth the effort. It's also why I ended up spending $ on 3 local tuners....because they were local and ultimately I paid the real price in lost performance.
I'm no longer skeptical, and most guy's that have taken the same path as I have came to the same conclusion. Joe requires leaving the bike for a week, he charges abit more but then again tuning is 80% of the work his shop does. Whether it's tuning supercharger bikes, turbo-charged bikes, Hyabusas etc, he tunes them.
So that leaves guy's looking to tune their efi engine with a choice, they can tune at a shop where 80% of the work is changing oil and tires or at a shop where 80% of the work is tuning. My skepticism cost me 2 years of performance that had me lol while riding last night. My skepticism has been completely resolved.
Other's can believe what they wish but both the hard facts of my baseline dyno and my seat-o-pants meter are hard to argue with.
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My bike has been on the dyno for 40+ hours. Difficulty with a SE kit from Harley that didn't work as advertised a parts swap including cams, bigger injectors, throttle body and lifters. It's finally running as it should and with 20k on the clock, I'm happy with it. All of this done with the same guy tuning it...
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