Just ordered the TCB braking System
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From a technician's point of view, I don't see any difference in this "system" then having air in your brake line. It's the same thing. However, it's any easy and more precise method to introduce an air bubble in your brake system. Air in your brake line, it is like a cushion, and the pedal travel is increased in order to obtain the same pressure. So, like this device, it creates a hesitation in locking the brake, but it will still lock the brake. Nothing like ABS at all! It's not good to have air in your brake system, so this device is a good replacement for that. But, if your rear brake is too sensitive, more than likely the brake pad is too soft and too aggressive of a material, tire pressure is too high, or there is contamination of the rotor. Otherwise, this device could help, though it appears to be over priced for what it is. Just my opinion.
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Last night I had my first run in with a vehicle pulling out in front of me whilst initiating a turn. To my surprise instinct kicked in, I straightened the bike up and applied a hefty amount of brake. The rear wheel locked up and the rear started sliding, I counter steered and released pressure unlocking the wheel and just rolled past the rear end of the truck. Meanwhile the dumbass **** his pants and came to an immediate halt in the middle of the turn, our eyes meet and I shook my head at him and drove on. This was at the turn to enter my neighborhood, I was less than a mile from my driveway.
I have only had this bike about a month now, it is my first motorcycle (aside from dirtbikes) and I did take a MSC before purchasing the bike. I have done a few panic stops in parking lots and have noticed the rear wheel locks up very easily. As soon as I got home last night I started researching ABS systems for my bike and this is the system I stumbled upon.
Currently I am straddling the fence on whether or not to purchase it. I feel as though with enough practice one should not have to rely on a system like this but I also feel that it would be nice to not have the rear wheel lock up so easily on me. Further said if this device does work as so many have claimed I assume it would be no different having it installed and then practicing with it as if I didn't have it. Since it still is able to lock up the rear under really hard braking as long as you learn that fine line to right before locking the brakes and utilized it in an accident it should help decrease your stopping time. I think the fault in this device is people who get complacent thinking "I can't lock up my wheel" when in reality that situation comes and you don't react accordingly.
So I'm off to do some more reading and possibly look into purchasing this, unless I can find an affordable way to add true ABS to my bike.
I have only had this bike about a month now, it is my first motorcycle (aside from dirtbikes) and I did take a MSC before purchasing the bike. I have done a few panic stops in parking lots and have noticed the rear wheel locks up very easily. As soon as I got home last night I started researching ABS systems for my bike and this is the system I stumbled upon.
Currently I am straddling the fence on whether or not to purchase it. I feel as though with enough practice one should not have to rely on a system like this but I also feel that it would be nice to not have the rear wheel lock up so easily on me. Further said if this device does work as so many have claimed I assume it would be no different having it installed and then practicing with it as if I didn't have it. Since it still is able to lock up the rear under really hard braking as long as you learn that fine line to right before locking the brakes and utilized it in an accident it should help decrease your stopping time. I think the fault in this device is people who get complacent thinking "I can't lock up my wheel" when in reality that situation comes and you don't react accordingly.
So I'm off to do some more reading and possibly look into purchasing this, unless I can find an affordable way to add true ABS to my bike.
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Last night I had my first run in with a vehicle pulling out in front of me whilst initiating a turn. To my surprise instinct kicked in, I straightened the bike up and applied a hefty amount of brake. The rear wheel locked up and the rear started sliding, I counter steered and released pressure unlocking the wheel and just rolled past the rear end of the truck. Meanwhile the dumbass **** his pants and came to an immediate halt in the middle of the turn, our eyes meet and I shook my head at him and drove on. This was at the turn to enter my neighborhood, I was less than a mile from my driveway.
I have only had this bike about a month now, it is my first motorcycle (aside from dirtbikes) and I did take a MSC before purchasing the bike. I have done a few panic stops in parking lots and have noticed the rear wheel locks up very easily. As soon as I got home last night I started researching ABS systems for my bike and this is the system I stumbled upon.
Currently I am straddling the fence on whether or not to purchase it. I feel as though with enough practice one should not have to rely on a system like this but I also feel that it would be nice to not have the rear wheel lock up so easily on me. Further said if this device does work as so many have claimed I assume it would be no different having it installed and then practicing with it as if I didn't have it. Since it still is able to lock up the rear under really hard braking as long as you learn that fine line to right before locking the brakes and utilized it in an accident it should help decrease your stopping time. I think the fault in this device is people who get complacent thinking "I can't lock up my wheel" when in reality that situation comes and you don't react accordingly.
So I'm off to do some more reading and possibly look into purchasing this, unless I can find an affordable way to add true ABS to my bike.
I have only had this bike about a month now, it is my first motorcycle (aside from dirtbikes) and I did take a MSC before purchasing the bike. I have done a few panic stops in parking lots and have noticed the rear wheel locks up very easily. As soon as I got home last night I started researching ABS systems for my bike and this is the system I stumbled upon.
Currently I am straddling the fence on whether or not to purchase it. I feel as though with enough practice one should not have to rely on a system like this but I also feel that it would be nice to not have the rear wheel lock up so easily on me. Further said if this device does work as so many have claimed I assume it would be no different having it installed and then practicing with it as if I didn't have it. Since it still is able to lock up the rear under really hard braking as long as you learn that fine line to right before locking the brakes and utilized it in an accident it should help decrease your stopping time. I think the fault in this device is people who get complacent thinking "I can't lock up my wheel" when in reality that situation comes and you don't react accordingly.
So I'm off to do some more reading and possibly look into purchasing this, unless I can find an affordable way to add true ABS to my bike.
Regarding the near miss, don't you know most accidents happen within 2 miles from home? Best bet is to move!!!!
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Thank you and me too, I would of hated T-Boning that used up douche. I always thought it was within 8 miles from home? I guess I could pack up my bike and leave my old lady behind, she might hunt me down though and try to pull out in front of me...Completely throwing off that statistic. lmao
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I recently installed this product during other modifications over the winter. I finally had some good riding weather to test this product out.
Background: 2000 FLHTC Stock Brakes calipers with Lyndall pads w/Progressive mono shocks up front. I installed all three as recommended by manufacturer. (One each caliper)
Very easy straight forward install. Remove existing brake line banjo bolt, replace banjo with TCB system. Bleed system. Bleed system. Ride. Bleed system.
I decided to install this product after a fishtail on wet pavement last year. I have never had great confidence in my Harley's brake system after riding many years on a BMW with an abs system. I consider my self a proficient and good braker. During advanced riding classes I have always been among the shorter stopping distances. I also practice braking and maneuvers on a regular basis. The product, for my riding style, (Not afraid to use my front brakes!) is a definite improvement over stock. I can not say that my stopping distances were shortened very much, a few feet only, however, I did like the feel of the brakes, after I got use to. Actually, I like the feel better than my BMW as I never got used to the pulsating of a true ABS on my bike. The braking feel is softer on hard braking. I WAS able to lock up rear tire when I did an emergency stop WITHOUT using front brakes. (Had to stomp on it, not natural or normal braking technique)
Overall, I would recommend this product. Will not be looking for a rainy day, however, I will be a little more confident with this product.
Now, The Cons: After installing parts, I had a little more trouble bleeding the front brakes than I normally do. I was expecting the feel to be closer than what it was prior to installation. The brakes feels a little softer, however, I assure you, on hard braking there is plenty of brake pull available. My brake pads were less than 5000 miles old by Lyndall. Because I was not 100% confident or sure of the "feel" I called the manufacturer to inquire about any special bleeding issues that I needed to be aware of. I called the customer support number on the website and to date, 3 weeks later, I have received no return call. PS- Website does address some of the issues I called about.
So after testing product, I bled system again. Though, the brakes feel different then they did before the install, they did feel more "stock" to me.
One more thing: First ride with chrome lowers and Progressive Mono Shock Cartridges Installed - I really like the new shocks! (Stock height Version). I must have made 20-30 stops testing the TBS product before I realized that I had almost no front end dive. After 250 miles, mostly two up riding, I like the shocks and would recommend. I felt or saw no downside to this product.
Background: 2000 FLHTC Stock Brakes calipers with Lyndall pads w/Progressive mono shocks up front. I installed all three as recommended by manufacturer. (One each caliper)
Very easy straight forward install. Remove existing brake line banjo bolt, replace banjo with TCB system. Bleed system. Bleed system. Ride. Bleed system.
I decided to install this product after a fishtail on wet pavement last year. I have never had great confidence in my Harley's brake system after riding many years on a BMW with an abs system. I consider my self a proficient and good braker. During advanced riding classes I have always been among the shorter stopping distances. I also practice braking and maneuvers on a regular basis. The product, for my riding style, (Not afraid to use my front brakes!) is a definite improvement over stock. I can not say that my stopping distances were shortened very much, a few feet only, however, I did like the feel of the brakes, after I got use to. Actually, I like the feel better than my BMW as I never got used to the pulsating of a true ABS on my bike. The braking feel is softer on hard braking. I WAS able to lock up rear tire when I did an emergency stop WITHOUT using front brakes. (Had to stomp on it, not natural or normal braking technique)
Overall, I would recommend this product. Will not be looking for a rainy day, however, I will be a little more confident with this product.
Now, The Cons: After installing parts, I had a little more trouble bleeding the front brakes than I normally do. I was expecting the feel to be closer than what it was prior to installation. The brakes feels a little softer, however, I assure you, on hard braking there is plenty of brake pull available. My brake pads were less than 5000 miles old by Lyndall. Because I was not 100% confident or sure of the "feel" I called the manufacturer to inquire about any special bleeding issues that I needed to be aware of. I called the customer support number on the website and to date, 3 weeks later, I have received no return call. PS- Website does address some of the issues I called about.
So after testing product, I bled system again. Though, the brakes feel different then they did before the install, they did feel more "stock" to me.
One more thing: First ride with chrome lowers and Progressive Mono Shock Cartridges Installed - I really like the new shocks! (Stock height Version). I must have made 20-30 stops testing the TBS product before I realized that I had almost no front end dive. After 250 miles, mostly two up riding, I like the shocks and would recommend. I felt or saw no downside to this product.
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No, Lions - review on TCB braking product was generally a positive. I did not want to sound like an advertiser for this product. Only exception was no call back from customer service or a tech.
This weekend suppose to be in 60s and 70s, so I will put 300-500 miles on and report back.
Follow the Harley Manual instructions on bleeding of brakes. BTW - Absolutely no issues with bleeding or "feel" on rear brakes. The web site will tell you (like normal ABS) that under certain conditions "does not prevent lockup". Of course the rear lockup, as explained in my previous write up, was purposely caused, by extreme hard rear over-braking only, looking for a lockup. It did take longer to lock up, however. It did NOT lock up under normal hard braking that you would experience in a MSF type riders or advanced class. I tried. PS- ALL MY TESTING WAS ON DRY ASPHALT AND CONCRETE.
Also, like any new product whether brakes, shocks, stereo, GPS, etc. learn and familiarize yourself with product, feel and operation before experiencing real world situations.
And Yes - I think I am going to like the new shocks!
This weekend suppose to be in 60s and 70s, so I will put 300-500 miles on and report back.
Follow the Harley Manual instructions on bleeding of brakes. BTW - Absolutely no issues with bleeding or "feel" on rear brakes. The web site will tell you (like normal ABS) that under certain conditions "does not prevent lockup". Of course the rear lockup, as explained in my previous write up, was purposely caused, by extreme hard rear over-braking only, looking for a lockup. It did take longer to lock up, however. It did NOT lock up under normal hard braking that you would experience in a MSF type riders or advanced class. I tried. PS- ALL MY TESTING WAS ON DRY ASPHALT AND CONCRETE.
Also, like any new product whether brakes, shocks, stereo, GPS, etc. learn and familiarize yourself with product, feel and operation before experiencing real world situations.
And Yes - I think I am going to like the new shocks!
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