Jackpot exhaust question
#11
02-09-2012 | 02:03 PM
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I haven't heard the 4 inch pipes but I can tell you I have the 4.5 and have posted about them a few times. First of all, I'm not disappointed with fuel moto but INITIALLY I wasn't happy with the 4.5 pipes.
I LOVE the look, no doubt. My concern at first was these things seemed so loud. I have a new set of scala headsets that I wanted to use but couldn't with these pipes. Just too loud to be able to communicate on them because all the other person would hear was the noise of the pipes. As time has gone on I've either became used to the pipes, lost enough hearing that they don't sound as loud (ha ha) or they have quietened down a bit. Not sure which it is but I don't mind the sound now. In their defense, fuel moto did offer to change them out (never asked if that was free of cost or not because again, I really like the look of the pipes).
I went from the single pipe to the 2-1-2 setup. I noticed absolutely no difference in performance after adding the new system including tuner and air cleaner. At about $1,500 I was hoping it would wake it up a bit but it didn't. I'm not expecting a crotch rocket out of a harley touring bike so that really didn't matter to me, it's just simply an observation that I didn't notice a difference.
Here is what I think may be important to you. I did not realize that the 4.5 pipes do not have any sort of different baffle available. I wrote to fuel moto to try and obtain a different baffle that might quiet the pipes down a bit. No such luck. If you go with the 4 inch pipes they do have that option. In hindsight, that's probably what I would have done if I still purchased from fuel moto. If you're looking for a pipe that isn't LOUD I'm not sure that the 4.5 would be a good choice. I listened to the sound clips....it's not the same as sitting on top of them.
I LOVE the look, no doubt. My concern at first was these things seemed so loud. I have a new set of scala headsets that I wanted to use but couldn't with these pipes. Just too loud to be able to communicate on them because all the other person would hear was the noise of the pipes. As time has gone on I've either became used to the pipes, lost enough hearing that they don't sound as loud (ha ha) or they have quietened down a bit. Not sure which it is but I don't mind the sound now. In their defense, fuel moto did offer to change them out (never asked if that was free of cost or not because again, I really like the look of the pipes).
I went from the single pipe to the 2-1-2 setup. I noticed absolutely no difference in performance after adding the new system including tuner and air cleaner. At about $1,500 I was hoping it would wake it up a bit but it didn't. I'm not expecting a crotch rocket out of a harley touring bike so that really didn't matter to me, it's just simply an observation that I didn't notice a difference.
Here is what I think may be important to you. I did not realize that the 4.5 pipes do not have any sort of different baffle available. I wrote to fuel moto to try and obtain a different baffle that might quiet the pipes down a bit. No such luck. If you go with the 4 inch pipes they do have that option. In hindsight, that's probably what I would have done if I still purchased from fuel moto. If you're looking for a pipe that isn't LOUD I'm not sure that the 4.5 would be a good choice. I listened to the sound clips....it's not the same as sitting on top of them.
Really helpful info - thanks again.
#13
02-09-2012 | 02:46 PM
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02-09-2012 | 03:15 PM
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#15
02-09-2012 | 03:35 PM
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I spoke with Jamie and I have the same concerns you did. While the 4.5 has apparently a slightly deeper tone, it is a bit louder and cannot have baffles changed. So I am likely going to go with the 4" that allows for quieter baffles if I find it too loud. While I like "deep" tone, I want the flexibility on volume as well.
I just replaced the 3½" with a set of 4" Jackpots and like the larger muffler better. The noise seems to be about the same with the standard baffle as the smaller muffler was with the QB, so I'm probably going to stay with this setup for now. If I feel the need I can always install a QB for this muffler later on. I did notice a slight performance bump in the transition, and this is because of the straight-through baffle, not the muffler itself. The QB is not a straight-through design and imposes a slight hit (~2HP/2TQ) on performance. I would recommend trying the standard baffle, as you have a step louder and quieter in baffle options should you want a different sound. Actually, you have two steps quieter as options, as the QB kit has a "Silent Insert" included that makes it almost as quiet as stock. I tried the SB, which is a quick bolt-in, but found them too quiet and the performance hit was not something I could've lived with.
I think you'll like the Power Package from FM (PV, Jackpots, and AC). I've been a customer for five years and have never had the slightest issue with them for quality and service.
Last edited by iclick; 02-09-2012 at 03:40 PM.
#17
02-09-2012 | 04:48 PM
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Here is the post where FM shows sound levels of its different options down about post #17 are dB readings.
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/touri...fuel-moto.html
They show the 4.5" Pro touring to be louder than Dyno Tuned but about like Rinehart.
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/touri...fuel-moto.html
They show the 4.5" Pro touring to be louder than Dyno Tuned but about like Rinehart.
Last edited by TNCarters; 02-09-2012 at 04:52 PM.
#18
02-11-2012 | 01:10 PM
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TNCarters - thanks - that is great info.
I pulled the trigger yesterday and ordered :-)
I am really impressed with Fuel Moto so far. Hopefully I'll love the setup. Nobody local has these pipes (that I know of) so I wasn't able to listen to them in advance.
If Jamie's service lives up to his reputation (which so far it has) - I'll be a huge advocate of Fuel Moto.
I pulled the trigger yesterday and ordered :-)
I am really impressed with Fuel Moto so far. Hopefully I'll love the setup. Nobody local has these pipes (that I know of) so I wasn't able to listen to them in advance.
If Jamie's service lives up to his reputation (which so far it has) - I'll be a huge advocate of Fuel Moto.
#19
02-11-2012 | 01:43 PM
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Here's mine...Luv'em...They look similar in appearance to the 1971 AMF/HD SuperGlide stock muffler. That muffler also had black end caps.
I've had Screamin Eagle slip-ons and I've had Rineharts on both stock pipes and true duals. The Fuel Moto 2-1-2 header combined with the Pro-Touring muff is a combo hard to beat for looks, sound, and performance. I think you will be pleased.
I also have sound measurements that I made myself if you are interested...pm me. The measurements were made on the stock configuration then on the Stage I configuration with the Pro Touring muffs. Measurements were made at idle and at 2000 rpm conforming to the SAE J2825 method.
I've had Screamin Eagle slip-ons and I've had Rineharts on both stock pipes and true duals. The Fuel Moto 2-1-2 header combined with the Pro-Touring muff is a combo hard to beat for looks, sound, and performance. I think you will be pleased.
I also have sound measurements that I made myself if you are interested...pm me. The measurements were made on the stock configuration then on the Stage I configuration with the Pro Touring muffs. Measurements were made at idle and at 2000 rpm conforming to the SAE J2825 method.
#20
02-11-2012 | 05:12 PM
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Just in case anyone's interested this is an open space 3.5" Jackpot muffler on a stock 2011 Road King without the Catalyst. It is important to mention they are actually a little louder than the video shows, but not by much.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0F6K...ature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0F6K...ature=youtu.be