New vs old frame w/brace??
#11
Never rode a pre 09 but I sat on a 06 EG. I really liked the narrow back bone and tank appearance. 5 vs 6 gallon tank on the 06, I didnt really notice the differance until I sat on one. As far as the ride couldn't say except what I have read on the forums. One other difference is the exhaust route for the rear cylinder causes heat issues for the pre 09. Now there are heat issues caused by the catylist in the 09 Cali bikes and 10 and up models, both can be fixed with mods. At this point if I was going to buy a pre 09 tour bike I think I take it to the next level and get a carbed bike. I love the sound and mechanical aspect for repairs
Sath
Sath
#12
02 FLHPI and an 09 FLHTP. So I have both. Never have had the wobble hit on the 02, Kansas don't have that many corners!!
New frame is way much better riding. Lots bigger, heavier and taller. 02 is light nimble and a breeze to ride.
Ride your 07 and enjoy, IF you get them wobbles, look into the brace fix. My geuss is you will not ride agressive enough to even notice it.
Moving from the Honda Shadow, a great bike, to the H-D would be a BIG differace!
Think that you will enjoy the CopBike for many years with NO handling problems, if you do, there is a fix for you. If It ain't broke, Don't fix it!
Rida and enjoy! You picked a good one!.
Dan B.
Central Ks.
New frame is way much better riding. Lots bigger, heavier and taller. 02 is light nimble and a breeze to ride.
Ride your 07 and enjoy, IF you get them wobbles, look into the brace fix. My geuss is you will not ride agressive enough to even notice it.
Moving from the Honda Shadow, a great bike, to the H-D would be a BIG differace!
Think that you will enjoy the CopBike for many years with NO handling problems, if you do, there is a fix for you. If It ain't broke, Don't fix it!
Rida and enjoy! You picked a good one!.
Dan B.
Central Ks.
#14
I have seen a buddy get those wobbles. I asked him about it when we stopped and he just shrugged it of as no big deal. Course thats the way he is when it comes to harleys. "riding is supposed to hurt". LOL.
It was pretty crazy looking though. But like others here have said. It was a HIGH speed flat sweeper. Im talking 85-90 mph. (ya, we ride that fast here LOL)
It was pretty crazy looking though. But like others here have said. It was a HIGH speed flat sweeper. Im talking 85-90 mph. (ya, we ride that fast here LOL)
#15
"It's an iconic piece of America," he says.
Riders such as Blake Tomlinson said they think riding a Harley-Davidson is a way of life.
"To drive one is the ultimate sense of freedom," Tomlinson said.
To Jerry Costa, it was only a matter of time before he owned one.
"I had Triumphs, a Suzuki, Hondas and Yamahas. I had all of them before I ever had a Harley," said Costa.
The Peoria biker has been riding for 40 years.
"This is my fifth Harley," Costa said.
But no amount of road experience could have prepared Costa for what happened in October along a scenic highway just south of Prescott.
"I wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary. I wasn't doing anything I hadn't done a thousand times before. I had been on that road a couple hundred times," Costa said.
Costa said his speed was about 25-30 mph when, "The whole bike started shaking. I had no idea why the bike was vibrating like that, and it wasn't a little vibrating. I never felt anything like that in my life."
"I got this thought in my head I'm going over the ravine, and I don't want to go down," Costa said.
Costa did go down and was flown to a Phoenix hospital, where he coded and then slipped into a coma. Five days later, he awoke with a quadruple compound leg fracture, eight broken ribs and a punctured lung.
His massive Harley-Davidson Road King was totaled.
Costa blames faulty equipment for the accident, but Harley blames him.
"They say it's operator error," Costa said.
Costa is not alone.
A CBS 5 Investigation found similar incidents across the U.S. The possible equipment malfunction Costa describes has become known as the Harley-Davidson Wobble, or "Death Wobble."
A camera mounted on a Georgia state trooper's police-issued Harley shows Officer Richard Barber traveling 90 mph along an interstate. His 2007 Harley Electra Glide begins to shimmy and wobble. Eventually, Barber is able to stop the bike safely.
But a Raleigh, N.C., police officer was not so lucky. In 2002, 30-year-old Charles Paul was thrown from his Harley Electra Glide after it began to wobble. He died, and his family later settled a wrongful death suit with Harley-Davidson in 2008.
Harley's have been widely used by law enforcement. But the California Highway Patrol decided not to put their troopers on Harley's after testing the bike by comparing it to BMW bikes. A 2006 test track video shows the Harley side-by-side with the BMW. In the video, you can see the Harley wobbles when heading into and out of turns. The CHP report also says the bike wobbled on the straightaways.
Court cases against the company have centered on these bikes: the Road King, Ultra Classic, the Electra Glide and FLH series. The suits focus on their patented design for keeping the engine mounted to the frame of the bike. Critics argue the system is susceptible to a side-to-side motion, causing a wobble.
Harley-Davidson does acknowledge that its bikes are susceptible to a weave or wobble -- depending on the bike's speed. But they said that this does not cause accidents, and that weave or wobble happens to other bike manufacturers, regardless if it is a Harley or not. Harley also said the wobble problem is worsened when riders add on certain parts and suggests people follow the owner's manual.
Jerry Costa said wobble is what happened to his bike, and it haunts him during his long days in physical therapy, where he learns how to do the simple task of moving his ankle again.
Costa can't sue Harley-Davidson because he's already settled with insurance, but he said he doesn't want a payout.
"That's not what I'm after. I want people to know about this. I don't want more people falling off these bikes," Costa said.
Riders such as Blake Tomlinson said they think riding a Harley-Davidson is a way of life.
"To drive one is the ultimate sense of freedom," Tomlinson said.
To Jerry Costa, it was only a matter of time before he owned one.
"I had Triumphs, a Suzuki, Hondas and Yamahas. I had all of them before I ever had a Harley," said Costa.
The Peoria biker has been riding for 40 years.
"This is my fifth Harley," Costa said.
But no amount of road experience could have prepared Costa for what happened in October along a scenic highway just south of Prescott.
"I wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary. I wasn't doing anything I hadn't done a thousand times before. I had been on that road a couple hundred times," Costa said.
Costa said his speed was about 25-30 mph when, "The whole bike started shaking. I had no idea why the bike was vibrating like that, and it wasn't a little vibrating. I never felt anything like that in my life."
"I got this thought in my head I'm going over the ravine, and I don't want to go down," Costa said.
Costa did go down and was flown to a Phoenix hospital, where he coded and then slipped into a coma. Five days later, he awoke with a quadruple compound leg fracture, eight broken ribs and a punctured lung.
His massive Harley-Davidson Road King was totaled.
Costa blames faulty equipment for the accident, but Harley blames him.
"They say it's operator error," Costa said.
Costa is not alone.
A CBS 5 Investigation found similar incidents across the U.S. The possible equipment malfunction Costa describes has become known as the Harley-Davidson Wobble, or "Death Wobble."
A camera mounted on a Georgia state trooper's police-issued Harley shows Officer Richard Barber traveling 90 mph along an interstate. His 2007 Harley Electra Glide begins to shimmy and wobble. Eventually, Barber is able to stop the bike safely.
But a Raleigh, N.C., police officer was not so lucky. In 2002, 30-year-old Charles Paul was thrown from his Harley Electra Glide after it began to wobble. He died, and his family later settled a wrongful death suit with Harley-Davidson in 2008.
Harley's have been widely used by law enforcement. But the California Highway Patrol decided not to put their troopers on Harley's after testing the bike by comparing it to BMW bikes. A 2006 test track video shows the Harley side-by-side with the BMW. In the video, you can see the Harley wobbles when heading into and out of turns. The CHP report also says the bike wobbled on the straightaways.
Court cases against the company have centered on these bikes: the Road King, Ultra Classic, the Electra Glide and FLH series. The suits focus on their patented design for keeping the engine mounted to the frame of the bike. Critics argue the system is susceptible to a side-to-side motion, causing a wobble.
Harley-Davidson does acknowledge that its bikes are susceptible to a weave or wobble -- depending on the bike's speed. But they said that this does not cause accidents, and that weave or wobble happens to other bike manufacturers, regardless if it is a Harley or not. Harley also said the wobble problem is worsened when riders add on certain parts and suggests people follow the owner's manual.
Jerry Costa said wobble is what happened to his bike, and it haunts him during his long days in physical therapy, where he learns how to do the simple task of moving his ankle again.
Costa can't sue Harley-Davidson because he's already settled with insurance, but he said he doesn't want a payout.
"That's not what I'm after. I want people to know about this. I don't want more people falling off these bikes," Costa said.
Last edited by davidw221; 01-03-2012 at 05:42 AM.
#16
Having had an 05 Ultra with 20k miles on it and 09 EGS I could definitely feel a huge improvement in the handling on the 09.No more feeling as though there is a hinge in the middle of the bike and the EGS goes around corners probably 5-10 mph faster, so less braking up to corners and less accelerating out of them, much more confidence inspiring.
If anything, the wider tyre provides a firmer, less comfortable ride IMO.
dewky
If anything, the wider tyre provides a firmer, less comfortable ride IMO.
dewky
#18
I have an '05 Road Glide and an '09 Electra Glide, the '05 has had a Tru Track for 70,000 miles. The '09 is definitely stiffer but at a cost of being heavier. The '09 also rides like a lumber wagon compared to the '05. In the long run, I prefer the '05 for it's lightness and agility.
One of the factors in the wobble/weave is riding with a heavy hand. If you ride with your arms locked or stiff and after the turn/lean is initiated you continue to lean on the handlebar, you are still give it steering inputs, especially if you hit bumps. These inputs steer the bike and if you tense up then the inputs get worse and the bike weaves more.
One of the factors in the wobble/weave is riding with a heavy hand. If you ride with your arms locked or stiff and after the turn/lean is initiated you continue to lean on the handlebar, you are still give it steering inputs, especially if you hit bumps. These inputs steer the bike and if you tense up then the inputs get worse and the bike weaves more.
#19
Like nvsteve said
You didn't go wrong with an 07. I have an 07 and I have
experienced the "bagger" wobble. It bothered the dog out
of me, when you start around a corner the back end wants
to travel futher than the rest of the bike. Aaron from
http://www.throttleupindustries.com/hdforum.html
fixed my problem for good for only 139.00 and US shiping is free
You didn't go wrong with an 07. I have an 07 and I have
experienced the "bagger" wobble. It bothered the dog out
of me, when you start around a corner the back end wants
to travel futher than the rest of the bike. Aaron from
http://www.throttleupindustries.com/hdforum.html
fixed my problem for good for only 139.00 and US shiping is free
#20
I have to wonder if all the praise for the new frame should really go to the frame. Look at the difference in rear tire size (width and sidewall height) from a 2008 to a 2009+ bike. I can’t help but wonder if that isn’t the source of the major improvement in ride characteristics. Of course with out the new frame you’d have no wider rear tire. I do often wonder how the guys that have put 18” rear tires on their bike feel it improves handling. A shorter sidewall you would think would take some of the softness out of the corners. I have a Progressive Touring Link on my ’08 Street Glide. I can tell you without a doubt it makes a difference in handling.