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Old 09-22-2011, 06:58 AM
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did stage 2 kit originally then the next winter added mva heads power duels and monster rounds got 98hp and 107 torque with my se255 cams , dont think dyno guy did a very good job except charging me way too much. looked at map back loaded from vci and its completely original as the harely map is no changes to it anywhere. wont ever go back to that guy again.
 
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Bike only has 1,100 original miles on it as it doesn't get out much. It's one of our touring bike parts and accessories demos. Our other 2009 Street Glide gets a lot more seat time and has a lot more miles on it. With this build, we are replacing the pistons and will have to break it in all over again, so the rings seat properly, so no big deal if the factory rings didn't get seated 100%. They're coming right out.

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That's terrible about your dyno tuning experience. Our local dyno tuner is very good. The Harley map is not bad either. It's gets the job done safely. We load the Harley maps for local guys here all the time that have us do their 103 builds and so far, everyone seems to love the Stage 2 103 power with the Harley maps. Looks like you made good power and I will see a similar amount as I am doing the same heads. Just waiting for the heads to get here. Should be here Tuesday of next week and bike should be done then.

Thank you for all your responses! I can't wait to ride it once it's done!

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[QUOTE=DR. V-TWIN;8844549]Rickr01,

This bike is pretty much new. Not many miles on it at all. This is one of our showroom demos so it doesn't get out much. There is some carbon buildup, but that is to be expected with the combustion that takes place in the chambers.

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SE 255 cams.

Shawn



Thanks Shawn

Im getting ready to add cams and am undecided between the 255 and the new 254e that is listed in the SE Catalog. The SE Catalog states the 254e is more of a low to mid and the 255 is more mid range. It says same bikes equipped with 255 and 254e the 254 would pull a better 1/4 mile . Im also got the 204 in the back of my head because I had great luck with them in my Softail but the 255 anbd 254 seem to be more the bagger cam.

I know a lot of people have used the 255 , what made you choose them?
 
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My experiece with the 255 cams is that with the early intake close, they do build good torque but they also build a lot of heat. If I had things to do over again with my 96" setup, Id go with the Andrews 48's in a 96". They cloase a little later and still make good TQ numbers and HP numbers. On a 103", Id probably go with the Andrews 54 but thats just me. Lotrs of people are very happy with the 255's in the 103's. Are you planning on doing compression releaeses? If not, Id look at the S&S easy start cams but again, thats just my opinion.
 
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Originally Posted by 1931jamesw
My experiece with the 255 cams is that with the early intake close, they do build good torque but they also build a lot of heat. If I had things to do over again with my 96" setup, Id go with the Andrews 48's in a 96". They cloase a little later and still make good TQ numbers and HP numbers. On a 103", Id probably go with the Andrews 54 but thats just me. Lotrs of people are very happy with the 255's in the 103's. Are you planning on doing compression releaeses? If not, Id look at the S&S easy start cams but again, thats just my opinion.
Yes, we are going with the Harley Automatic Compression Release kit. SE Stage 4 heads come pre-drilled for them, so we are good there. Running full Amsoil and Ultracool oil cooler to keep the bike as cool as possible.

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Old 09-24-2011, 07:28 AM
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originally loaded 205UH005-001 which is the only 255 cam 103 program in se files. Components:
- SE Air Cleaner and Breather Kit P/N 29260-08
- SE Big Bore Cylinders P/N 16546-99 or 16549-99
- SE Big Bore Flat Top Pistons P/N 21966-07
- SE 255 Cams P/N 25638-07
- Race Exhaust
got 93 hp and 98 tq with this. did smart tune runs for correct ve tables . didnt play with timing used *** dyno.
then dyno guy used 204TW004 and forgot to turn on acr releases made no changes to ve tables or timing tables. got 98 hp 105 tq still think he could have got 4-5 more .- timing was 4-8 higher in most areas than the 205UH005 program.
SE Air Cleaner and Breather Kit P/N 29260-08
- SE Big Bore Cylinders P/N 16546-99 or 16549-99
- SE Flat Top Forged Pistons P/N 22942-00
- SE MCR Performance Heads P/N 16952-08 or 16953-08
- SE 258 Cam P/N 25474-06
- Race Exhaust
I back loaded this from the vci to see what he loaded and so I could turn the acr's back on . I used 10.5:1 pistons to match the mva heads. the next problem was that it was an older program and I couldnt reload it.
I then found that 205TW005 in my current se programs had the exact same values as the 204 program.
I loaded it into the bike and did about 5 smart tune runs.
I had to take a bit of timing out from 2200-3000 to get rid of a bit of timing knock when giving it gas at low rpms in this range when rpm was abit low for the speed but not lugging.
Dyno guy also had all the afr ratios at 14.6 except the last 2 columbs, I now have it set for 14.1 in most lower throttle areas except 2500-3000 up to about 1/2 throttle opening set at 14.3 for gas millage cruising. anything over 3700 and over about 2/3 throttle opening is at 13.8 and lower depending on how far open the throttle is.
well here is pretty well what I did shawn still think I could have gotten a bit more out of it but got screwed by dyno guy 400 bucks for jack ****.
Curious what you will get with the same set up and hopefully a dyno guy that is going to do ve table updates and go through every area of the map and max out timing in the columns with out pinging and maxing out fuel ratios to the point where the hp just starts to drop off then back it off a bit for max hp and torque numbers. post it when u dyno it please .
 
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The last 2009 Street Glide we did with the exact same setup I am going with did 101 RWHP and 107 RWTQ. I will post my dyno sheet when I get to the dyno.

The SE 255 cams seem to be the best for a heavy bike like our touring bikes. They build torque when it's needed. I want a bit down low, but most in the mid-range where the torque is usually where we want it. We are seldom in the low or high ranges for extended periods of time. We are mainly in the mid-range powerband when cruising and that is where we want the power, for instant powder delivery. When we cruise, we are always in the mid-range. Power down low ramping up is great to get you in the mid-range and the SE 255 cams are perfect. We haven't had any complaints from our 103 Stage 2 customers due to lack or power in any part of the powerband and we have done A LOT of them!

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ok thanks ill be waiting, sounds like the last build is pretty close to where I ended up. 3 hp more than I got, take in weather conditions and altitude maybe thats all Im gonna get, different dyno too. dont think I'll spend any more bucks like adding 58 mm throttle body , the bike was enough power now for faster exceleration in emergencies and pulls up huge mountains like a tractor
 
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Stage 4 SE heads just arrived! Can't wait to get this bike done! The wait is killing me!

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What pistons are you running? I went with the 11:1. They were cheaper than the 10.5:1 SE pistons.
Should run good, and pull hard.
I'm working on a ACR relay, timer and wiring harness , should be able to sell for about 60.00, so you wont have to use the HD one and pay a stealer to have them turned on in the ECM
Can you tell me what quick disconects are on the ends of the ACR's? I cut mine off and tossed them?
 

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