Truer words have never been spoken.

 

IMO, get the PC5. Chances are, you'll change your mind down the road about upgrades.

 

HD Download: No change beyond some timing alterations. This is a waste of money. Dealer only. ~$150.

IEDs (and variants): Will alter AFRs in closed-loop, but will not change anything >50% throttle in the open-loop area. This may reduce engine temperatures slightly, but not much, may enhance throttle response slightly in the closed-loop area, yet will have no other effect. Going <14.2:1 in closed-loop may cause check-engine light to illuminate and the ECM may throw codes, as the stock ECM and NB O2 sensors can't handle that big of a variance from stoich (14.6:1). Plug and play. $100-120.

PCV: A real tuner that will allow full changes in AFRs (±100%) and ignition advance (±10°) throughout the operating range. Buying from Fuel Moto will provide a tune consistent with your bike's configuration, and map upgrades are available should you decide to make future changes. Plug and play. ~$300.

 

Plus 1 on what he said.
PCV on top of a dealer flash could be added later which will richen up IMO and give a tiny bit more "buzz".
I wouldnt worry to much on those that say opening up the breather, adding slip ons and a dealer download dont add much. Its not a (complete) waste of money as you will feel and hear the difference.
However if going to a stage 2 later then a bit mor ECM management will obviously produce improvement.
Have a good day..
R

 

The voice of reason has spoken. No further responses required.

 

I've been running the xied's on for two year's now. I've also got them on my wife's 2010 SG Trike. Never had a check engine light come on. maybe you didn't have them installed right???

 

Really! Well there happen's to be a few here that know better!!

 

The way I see it, the PCV for a simple Stage 1 upgrade seems like killing an ant with a Howitzer! IOW, Overkill! $350 is alot of $$$ to spend to make a simple fuel adjustment.


Nope. It's not going to happen. I've been thru this a few times now, on my previous bikes. I'm not a tweaker. I won't go beyond opening up the airway, making sure the A/F is right and getting it to sound right! I MAY, out of necessity, change one of those components, but I'm not going to do any motor work of any kind.

 

Yea, could be, but it works and I'm sure the ant is dead :-) And it was $299 from FuelMoto, not $350, including any future map adjustments I may need for whatever reason....just for the record

The OP asked for our opinions so that he could then make his own decision. There are lots of different ways to get to the same end, none of them necessarily right or wrong, just different. We make our bikes our own, and as long as we are all happy with the end result and can enjoy being out there on the road, thats all that matters.

 

$299. $350. whatever. It's still a pocketful of change, no matter how you slice it. It's wonderful that the PCV does what needs to be done, but you're paying the big bucks for a ton of other stuff that it does - stuff that you won't ever use. It just doesn't seem to be very practical to me.

Regarding future map adjustments, not likely in my scenario. I'm a "set it and forget it" guy.


This is a great point and I'm glad you mentioned it.

Unfortunately, everyone is an expert on the forums, either in his own eyes or in the eyes of the viewer. For the neophyte (like me), it's very difficult to decipher right from wrong if you take what is said at face value.

It would be great (and very helpful) if folks would focus on the positive and base their responses upon their own personal experiences. For example, "This is what I did, and it worked for me", or "I tried this, but it didn't work for me", rather than saying, "doing it that way is a waste of money" or "that is wrong".

Jack Friday said it best when he said, "Just the facts, sir."

Thanks.