Dealers and my very well taught lesson.
#21
I'm going to look at a "garage queen" tonite.'07 UC with 950 miles on the clock. Totally stock, no mods whatsoever, $13k is the asking price. It's for a buddy of mine. He was hoping for a used bike with all the goodies already. I told him this is better, he doesn't have to undo someone else's bs. He's going to offer $12k and see if the guy will bite.
#22
Yeah, that's a good deal, in that it's low mileage, and you know where the bike's been. When buying from the dealer, you never know. Here in Rapid City, they get bikes rode in for the rally from all over the world, and traded in....so you are really putting your neck on the line.
'07 is a good year. The pipes are pretty muffled, and the stock seat isn't the greatest, but for 12K, that can be easily addressed.
Any frame wobbles that may occur can be easily remedied with a True-Track from what I understand.
~Joe
'07 is a good year. The pipes are pretty muffled, and the stock seat isn't the greatest, but for 12K, that can be easily addressed.
Any frame wobbles that may occur can be easily remedied with a True-Track from what I understand.
~Joe
#23
And yes before you ask... there was a receipt for a rebuild from a now-closed indy shop.
I'd say the previous owner got hosed by that indy shop. I don't think you can blame the dealer you got it from.
I was also told and informed that the bike had never had any damage of any sorts..
I'd say the guy who traded it in hosed the dealer. I don't think you can blame the dealer you got it from.
I pull the tour pak apart to clean it up check the wires just make sure its all in good order and discover inspection stickers under the tour pak liner from 2002. Now mind you not the date of inspection of 2002 but date of manufactured 2002!
Maybe the Tour Pak is a replacement. Other things have been replaced. I don't think you can blame the dealer you got it from.
So I set off and start to really dig into the bike & find that the left side side body cover for the fuses does not match the right.
It's a 12 year old bike, things happen in 12 years. I don't think you can blame the dealer you got it from.
Can I really blame the dealer maybe, can I blame myself for being a idiot? YES! I should of known something was up with the price I got it at.
You are not an idiot, it's the chances you take for buying a 12 year old bike.
I called the DMV that was fun.. bike was never reported in an accident but this is Cal so who the #$%^& knows.
One time I had $5,000 damage done to a Corvette and when I was going to trade it in I did a CARFAX report on it and nothing showed up. If I buy used I still do a CARFAX report on what I'm buying but it really doesn't tell you much.
Cliff Notes:
I am Idiot, never trust a dealer!
My list of upgrades just got a lot bigger.
Sorry to hear about your troubles, but that's the chance you take when buying a 12 year old bike.
Too many bikes go through auctions, some dealers even buy bikes at auctions when their inventories are low.
#24
- The dealer knew there was damage and blatently lied.
- The dealer didn't really know what the situation was but told him there was no damage to close the deal, so lied indicating he knew the truth when he didn't.
Assuming the OP has the full story, the dealer messed up.
#26
Call a lawyer.......... thats whats wrong with people today, they don't take responsibililty for their own bad decisions, it's always someone else's fault & they want to sue somebody else. fabrik8r, I hope you never try to tag along on a group ride with other members here, they might make a turn you don't anticipate, you'll overshoot & get lost or something, and then you will get upset and get a lawyer involed because you made a bad decision. C'mon, the bike is used, the buyer gave it the once over, no shop I know tears a motor down before re-selling a bike, nor do they disassemble everything to see if all the numbers match; if it looks good cosmetically and the VIN numbers are good, they take the person trading it in for their word. The buyer looked over the bike, knew the price & thought it was good at the time, thats why they call it a "used" purchase, you may get a "good used deal" or a "bad used deal", its a 50/50 gamble, but you must look at the cost of major repairs when considering buying used, after all it is the "buyers choice" to close the deal.
#27
Call a lawyer.......... thats whats wrong with people today, they don't take responsibililty for their own bad decisions, it's always someone else's fault & they want to sue somebody else. fabrik8r, I hope you never try to tag along on a group ride with other members here, they might make a turn you don't anticipate, you'll overshoot & get lost or something, and then you will get upset and get a lawyer involed because you made a bad decision. C'mon, the bike is used, the buyer gave it the once over, no shop I know tears a motor down before re-selling a bike, nor do they disassemble everything to see if all the numbers match; if it looks good cosmetically and the VIN numbers are good, they take the person trading it in for their word. The buyer looked over the bike, knew the price & thought it was good at the time, thats why they call it a "used" purchase, you may get a "good used deal" or a "bad used deal", its a 50/50 gamble, but you must look at the cost of major repairs when considering buying used, after all it is the "buyers choice" to close the deal.
#28
Let me check with my lawyer first to see if it's in my best interest to accept the free hotdog! Oh better yet, if it upsets my stomach, I'll accept responsibility for making a bad decision.........
No, I wouldn't just let the dealer just get over on me, but I would try to work with them myself as opposed to getting lawyers involved; most of the time the lawyers are the only ones that benefit from a lawsuit (maybe you are a lawyer trying to strum up business?). If the dealer wouldn't work with me, I would take the savings from making the greatly discounted used purchase (one would think the discount made the deal sweet enough to even consider) and use it to get my scoot fixed to my liking and chalk it up to a lesson learned. Then just get the word out to as many prospective buyers to avoid the dealership, word of mouth does wonders around here, a few lost sales is satisfaction enough. When I go into a used purchase on anything I look at what it would cost to make major repairs and weigh the used price plus the cost of major repairs before closing a deal; that way it doesn't matter if it stops running the minute I get it home. Just remember TANSTAAFL; if a deal sounds too good to be true then it usually is, buyer beware!
No, I wouldn't just let the dealer just get over on me, but I would try to work with them myself as opposed to getting lawyers involved; most of the time the lawyers are the only ones that benefit from a lawsuit (maybe you are a lawyer trying to strum up business?). If the dealer wouldn't work with me, I would take the savings from making the greatly discounted used purchase (one would think the discount made the deal sweet enough to even consider) and use it to get my scoot fixed to my liking and chalk it up to a lesson learned. Then just get the word out to as many prospective buyers to avoid the dealership, word of mouth does wonders around here, a few lost sales is satisfaction enough. When I go into a used purchase on anything I look at what it would cost to make major repairs and weigh the used price plus the cost of major repairs before closing a deal; that way it doesn't matter if it stops running the minute I get it home. Just remember TANSTAAFL; if a deal sounds too good to be true then it usually is, buyer beware!
#29
I buy new and this is why. It's also why I don't really subscribe to the "do it yourself" school of motorcycle mechanics. There are a lot of guys that do it themselves and screw it up. You better know what you're getting into and know what you're doing, and how to do it correctly when you work on your bike, or else this is the result. I've got a relative that's a Harley tech, and she makes a majority of her living fixing other peoples fkups. If you know you can do the job correctly, go for it, but don't "think" you know when you really don't.
Last edited by roadking2000; 05-07-2011 at 11:00 AM.
#30
Call a lawyer.......... thats whats wrong with people today, they don't take responsibililty for their own bad decisions, it's always someone else's fault & they want to sue somebody else. fabrik8r, I hope you never try to tag along on a group ride with other members here, they might make a turn you don't anticipate, you'll overshoot & get lost or something, and then you will get upset and get a lawyer involed because you made a bad decision. C'mon, the bike is used, the buyer gave it the once over, no shop I know tears a motor down before re-selling a bike, nor do they disassemble everything to see if all the numbers match; if it looks good cosmetically and the VIN numbers are good, they take the person trading it in for their word. The buyer looked over the bike, knew the price & thought it was good at the time, thats why they call it a "used" purchase, you may get a "good used deal" or a "bad used deal", its a 50/50 gamble, but you must look at the cost of major repairs when considering buying used, after all it is the "buyers choice" to close the deal.