John,
Let me pose this question to you.
Place your mindset as a consumer for a moment.
Why is the person that owns a Street Glide forced to purchase the Batwing mounting bracket when they don't have all the added garbage?
They have no need for a mounting area for the CB, it doesn't come with one.
Most people that buy Street Glides buy it because it's stripped of the added stuff.
Naturally, that Street Glide owner is going to look at comparable amps, like the ARC, for the price.
Go to ARC's website, look at their pricing.
For $324 dollars a person can have the amp & wiring harness.
Your bracket is worth $130'ish bucks???

I'm not knocking your merchandise...hell, I have 1 of your amp kits in my Road Glide.
I checked your Rokker out at the V-Twin Expo in Cincy...sounds good!

I'm just pointing out, your prices aren't really in line with your competition.
That's all.

 

JMJOHN,

No doubt you have lost sales due the price difference between your 250W amp kit to those who don't need the harnesses/brackets and buy the Arc 125.2, and, to a lesser extent, the elf and wetsounds clones. Especially for those buying amps to install in Electra Glides and Street Glides w/o any add-on HD modules, the brackets are of little value.

I have the Arc 125.2 and will strongly consider your 500W amp, but at the reported $680 list price mentioned previously by DR. VTWIN, I'll balk at that. If omitting the brackets and harnesses significantly reduces the price, it will be much easier for me to buy it since I have no problem doing the installation and making the harnesses, etc. myself as I've done in the past.

It may be a pain for you from an inventory and packaging standpoint, but selling the amps as a package (harnesses and brackets included), but also offering the amps, harnesses and brackets separately would be optimum as a consumer; it'd allow me and others the choice of buying what fit our budgets and installation needs.

Also, although it may not be nearly as good as your 500W, the Rockford Fosgate new 300W 4-channel amp at $270 list price will be a big seller, even though it will no doubt require buyers to fab the electrical connections, etc. By adding the costs of the harnesses and brackets will only increase the cost delta between the two products. Said another way, I may be willing to pay significantly more for your 500W amp at a significantly lower price than $680 list (or any other regularly avialble discounted price) w/o the brackets and harnesses.

Just my $.02.

Carl

 

I can't wait for someone to chime in that there is a difference between these 4 250w 125.2 amps, other than a cosmetic top plate/sticker.

 

[quote=BadPiggy;7951180]John,
the ARC, for the price.
Go to ARC's website, look at their pricing.
For $324 dollars a person can have the amp & wiring harness.
quote]

Chris,

I was typing and didn't see your post; we made the same point regarding the brackets for EG's/SG's that don't have any modules, so the brackets in the 250W kit are of little value.

As for the ARC "harness" you referenced, I had one in the MPAK kit I purchased and I'm glad I got such a steep discount on that kit 'cause the "harness" package @ $45 (website price) is grossly overpriced. It really isn't fair to call it a harness because there isn't anything that is plug and play in the kit. Everything provided uses crimp connectors with the exception of the power and ground cables which had ring connectors on the ends for the battery/ground connections--the power and ground cables were the only things I used from the $45 kit.

I agree with your overall point of view, and those points will be very relevant when I choose between J&M's 500W amp and Rockford Fosgate's 300W amp. Hawg-wired has a new 4-channel amp coming, but at their typical pricing (e.g. $995 for their current 300W amp/satellite amps) I doubt I'll be considering the HW product.

Carl

 

Shore,

Go to post 11 in this thread from Dec. 2010 for a link to an audio website where the guts of the Arc 125.2 and Elf clone were compared and differences noted:

https://www.hdforums.com/forum/touri...ggestions.html

Carl

 

Carl does it matter on impedance that the stock HK is 2 ohm? Can I still get 4 ohm speakers? I believe you have the same setup I'm trying to end up with here.

Also was looking at this amp here http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Alpine+-...&skuId=9442187 but not sure if it has enough wattage

 

Pain,

According to the Alpine site,...........................this amp is made for ONLY 2005 or newer ALPINE head units.............

 

Pain,

If you are asking if you can use 4 ohm speakers (no add-on amp) with the HK head unit, I'll refer you to the answer I received from Iron Cross Audio: YES.

If you use an add-on amp, then YES, again, and you'd match the speaker impedance to the add-on amp's impedance. For example, the Arc 125.2 is rated as 2 ohm stable, but also accepts 4 ohm impedance speakers though the wattage drops from 125/channel to 70/channel, so that amp will work with either 2 ohm or 4 ohm speakers. The impedance of the HK head unit is irrelevant when using an add-on amp since the HK head unit won't "see" any load for the audio signal going to the add-on amp.

I'm not a tech or audio guy; just read some good information elsewhere and talked to experts, e.g. Iron Cross Audio, when doing various audio mods to my bike over the years.

Carl

 

have a o5 electra glide standard .i am running a sony head unit and alpine 6.5 speakers. was looking to installing the acr mini but also the Polk Audio 1 inch inplace of my missing gauges???? do i spice them into my 6.5 's. OR DO I need a 4 channel am?????

 

Thanks for the info. I have been out of the audio game for a long time and have forgotten must of what I learned. I've found a few other small amps but I'm still not sure what I want to go with.