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Old 01-14-2011, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by fuelmoto
This test did not surprise me as the bike was otherwise completely stock. On the other hand when you change the intake and mufflers the airflow dynamics change greatly as well as the calibration requirements. Generally speaking we set up our maps and calibrations 13.8-14.4 in the cruise range and blend the higher load areas to 13.0-13.2, this depends on the combination and requirements. With PC-V when you unplug the O2 sensors the bike will run off the programming edits you have in your PC map which are used to correct the ECM's calibration.
Jamie, would an '08 Ultra Classic with Rinehart true duals and stock air cleaner need a modified map?
 
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Old 01-14-2011, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Port Dawg
Given the above explanation.......if a tuner lowers the cells so that they turn white and the closed loop is turned off...........wouldnt xied's accomplish the same thing by lowering the closed loop from 14:6 to 13:8?

Or am I looking at it to simply?
There is a huge difference between changing the AFR table and adding IED's, since the AFR/Lambda table is a "command" and feedback from the sensor is a "control"

The problem comes in when the IED's modify the O2 voltage so the ECM interprets this as the mixture is leaner than it really is. An entire block learn area can change based on this info, including the transition area outside closed loop which was already rich enough. This area now becomes excessively rich with the IED's. Another consideration is that the sensors can only measure near stoich which is 14.6:1(+/-.3) The stock sensors are simply a switch that is constantly toggling between rich/lean, if you are looking for a reference richer (or leaner) than the range the sensors are switching it is important to note they only switch from 14.3-14.9:1, there is really no way for the ECM to interpret the difference between 14.1 and a richer value, the same goes for a reference on the lean side above approx 14.9:1. Hope this helps
 
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Old 01-14-2011, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Geoff
Jamie, would an '08 Ultra Classic with Rinehart true duals and stock air cleaner need a modified map?
It all comes down to what is acceptable. While the ECM can adjust for some changes, it still retains the same AFR/Lambda targets as stock and and the stock timing tables are less than desirable in most applications.
 
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