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107" Big Bore Kit and Dyno Testing by Fuel Moto
#1011
Holy crap! Well done, I'm sure he's happy with the way that bike runs now....!!!
Here is some info on the new Wood's TW-888 cams which we are now offering with our Fuel Moto 107 kit. We just did a build for a customer that brought their bike up from North Carolina. It was a 2008 FLH and we turned around the build, break in, and tune in just over a day. From our Facebook page...
Fuel Moto 107 build setup @ 10.5 comp, Wood Knight Prowler TW-888 cams, FM Level B "CNC" heads, Jackpot 2/1 exhaust, tuned with Dynojet Power Vision. This combination made 117Hp/128Tq, an increase of 47Hp & 45TQ over their previous setup.
Fuel Moto 107 build setup @ 10.5 comp, Wood Knight Prowler TW-888 cams, FM Level B "CNC" heads, Jackpot 2/1 exhaust, tuned with Dynojet Power Vision. This combination made 117Hp/128Tq, an increase of 47Hp & 45TQ over their previous setup.
#1012
#1013
Your setup would be better suited to the TW-777 or TW-555's which are going to make a bit broader power. The TW-888 requires a bit more compression and works best with a 2/1 or 2/1/2 system.
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The USA's Leader V-Twin EFI & Performance www.fuelmotousa.com
Contact 920-423-3309
Email jamie@fuelmotousa.com
Jamie Long / Fuel Moto USA
The USA's Leader V-Twin EFI & Performance www.fuelmotousa.com
Contact 920-423-3309
Email jamie@fuelmotousa.com
#1014
Here is some info on the new Wood's TW-888 cams which we are now offering with our Fuel Moto 107 kit. We just did a build for a customer that brought their bike up from North Carolina. It was a 2008 FLH and we turned around the build, break in, and tune in just over a day. From our Facebook page...
Fuel Moto 107 build setup @ 10.5 comp, Wood Knight Prowler TW-888 cams, FM Level B "CNC" heads, Jackpot 2/1 exhaust, tuned with Dynojet Power Vision. This combination made 117Hp/128Tq, an increase of 47Hp & 45TQ over their previous setup.
Fuel Moto 107 build setup @ 10.5 comp, Wood Knight Prowler TW-888 cams, FM Level B "CNC" heads, Jackpot 2/1 exhaust, tuned with Dynojet Power Vision. This combination made 117Hp/128Tq, an increase of 47Hp & 45TQ over their previous setup.
#1015
We no longer tune with SE Tuning products or TTS. For bikes that come in equipped with these tuners we tune using our Dynojet Power Vision software with a license which runs $199.00. This allows us to work with specific calibrations we have developed for our combinations, and unlike these other products we can develop the entire calibration using Wideband O2 sensor input. This is far more efficient and in the end costs the customer the same amount of money (or less) since we previously charged SERT/TTS tuning by the hour.
#1016
cpp
jamie what kind of cpp number do u end up with the 10.5 pistons and level b heads with the 888 cams. are the stock heads reworked about 85 cc chamber volume.
I have a 103 but made the mistake of blowing a fortune on se mva heads then finding out the stock reworked heads would have worked just as well. I changed to the se 10.5:1 pistons to match the mva heads. a builder near me said the air velocity is higher in stock reworked heads than my mva . am I correct in assuming flow is one thing but the speed of the air or velocity is critical also. I do have my original 96 cylinders and heads that I could bore out to 107. Since i already have the mva's with built in electric decompression releases I'm wondering how the mva's may work with 10.5 pistons and 888 cams. harley specs says the port volume is 98 and 2.120 intake valves, I dont see a exhaust valve size. combustion chamber volume 95 cc and lists scfm specs--lift-scfm flow .5lift-279
.55 lift-284 .6 lift-290 .65 lift-295
motor is at 103 now I have andrews 32h in bike now. the andrews doesnt seem to have the pull the 255 did with this set up above but the 255 causes a way too high a cpp with the 10.5 compression. I had a lifter start to pit up on bottom and put minor scratches in my 255 so i put the andrews in and ended up with a better cpp for the 10.5 compression.
lastly did u use woods lifters with the set ups
would the 888 work with a 103 or is the air flow volumes too low for the 888 cams with the slightly lower cylinder volumes
I have a 103 but made the mistake of blowing a fortune on se mva heads then finding out the stock reworked heads would have worked just as well. I changed to the se 10.5:1 pistons to match the mva heads. a builder near me said the air velocity is higher in stock reworked heads than my mva . am I correct in assuming flow is one thing but the speed of the air or velocity is critical also. I do have my original 96 cylinders and heads that I could bore out to 107. Since i already have the mva's with built in electric decompression releases I'm wondering how the mva's may work with 10.5 pistons and 888 cams. harley specs says the port volume is 98 and 2.120 intake valves, I dont see a exhaust valve size. combustion chamber volume 95 cc and lists scfm specs--lift-scfm flow .5lift-279
.55 lift-284 .6 lift-290 .65 lift-295
motor is at 103 now I have andrews 32h in bike now. the andrews doesnt seem to have the pull the 255 did with this set up above but the 255 causes a way too high a cpp with the 10.5 compression. I had a lifter start to pit up on bottom and put minor scratches in my 255 so i put the andrews in and ended up with a better cpp for the 10.5 compression.
lastly did u use woods lifters with the set ups
would the 888 work with a 103 or is the air flow volumes too low for the 888 cams with the slightly lower cylinder volumes
Last edited by 2009blackpearle; 12-27-2012 at 06:52 PM.
#1017
I would recommend basing your cam choice on the end result and overall performance objectives you are looking for Hp/Tq wise, the cylinder head will play a big part as well. For example if you are looking to make in the 100-105Hp/112-118Tq range you can get there pretty easily with the base FM 107" kit, stock heads, TW-222 or TW-555 cams and the appropriate supporting mods and tune. These two cams will be nice and strong with an emphasis on low & mid range power yet they will still rev out nicely, especially the TW-555. The TW-222 comes on really early but will sign off a bit earlier. For those looking to make power in the 112-118Hp/120+Tq range I would recommend our Fuel Moto Level B head and setting the 107" kit up at 10.5 compression and using the TW-555 or TW-777 cams which makes for a very strong curve with especially better higher RPM power than stock heads. I all really depends on what the customer is looking for, fortunately we have enough combinations and flexibility with our 107 that can make it happen for what most are looking for.
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Is there a builder in my area ( Quebec,Canada) or vermont area that you can refer me too ? I also maybe thinking in driving to see you once winter season is over here for the 107 build .It's a 3 day drive for me...I have the HD 103" with SE heavy breather and V&H power duals. i'd say the 777 cams is what i need since i like hard pulls but don't do much of high speed driving. I do have your PV. Can you say i would expect the numbers above as your post with my AC and exhaust setup ? would i need to install a stronger clutch since the Tq numbers are higher ? if i drive down for your build, will the bike be ok to ride back home for the 1800Km trip back ?
#1018
Here is some info on the new Wood's TW-888 cams which we are now offering with our Fuel Moto 107 kit. We just did a build for a customer that brought their bike up from North Carolina. It was a 2008 FLH and we turned around the build, break in, and tune in just over a day. From our Facebook page...
Fuel Moto 107 build setup @ 10.5 comp, Wood Knight Prowler TW-888 cams, FM Level B "CNC" heads, Jackpot 2/1 exhaust, tuned with Dynojet Power Vision. This combination made 117Hp/128Tq, an increase of 47Hp & 45TQ over their previous setup.
Fuel Moto 107 build setup @ 10.5 comp, Wood Knight Prowler TW-888 cams, FM Level B "CNC" heads, Jackpot 2/1 exhaust, tuned with Dynojet Power Vision. This combination made 117Hp/128Tq, an increase of 47Hp & 45TQ over their previous setup.
#1019
However there are few people with those numbers that have had problems with crank. Most have self admitted that it was there fault. Whole shot runs,burn outs , clutch drops, all put a lot of stress on the crank.
If you are going to ride it like you stole it and abuse the hell out of it the chances go up that the crank will be a problem. If you can afford it I would say that it is always a good idea to do the crank work. I had concerns over my build and not doing the crank and must say that I have none now.
Just my.02 worth.
Last edited by BIGVTWIN; 12-22-2012 at 04:43 PM.
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