"lugging"
#51
I've been riding for the best part of 43 years, all Harleys. It took me 4 years of riding on my '07 to figure it out. 6th gear is useless. Period. At least for my style of riding.
I really thought plugging it into 6th and cruising at 70 mph @ 2450 rpm was great. Not so. As I said in a previous thread, my '07 was the most efficient in 5th at 2800 rpm on the highway. I rode like this for the best part of 3000 miles on our western swing last month. The oil temp was 25 deg cooler (230), and the fuel economy was 45mpg to 51mpg vs 36 to 40 mpg and 250-260 deg. Thus, for my style of riding, I would need to go 76+mph to keep it in that RPM range where it would pull hills and pass other vehicles. 6th gear will cause more problems than its worth, at least for me.
Here is how the gear changes are spelled out in the owners manual. I think they are wrong.
First to second
15
Second to third
25
Third to fourth
35
Fourth to fifth
45
Fifth to sixth
55
It is hard to have another gear there and not shift into it. You really want to do it. Fill your tank and go out and run it out on the highway, not ever shifting into 6th. You'll see what I mean.
I really thought plugging it into 6th and cruising at 70 mph @ 2450 rpm was great. Not so. As I said in a previous thread, my '07 was the most efficient in 5th at 2800 rpm on the highway. I rode like this for the best part of 3000 miles on our western swing last month. The oil temp was 25 deg cooler (230), and the fuel economy was 45mpg to 51mpg vs 36 to 40 mpg and 250-260 deg. Thus, for my style of riding, I would need to go 76+mph to keep it in that RPM range where it would pull hills and pass other vehicles. 6th gear will cause more problems than its worth, at least for me.
Here is how the gear changes are spelled out in the owners manual. I think they are wrong.
First to second
15
Second to third
25
Third to fourth
35
Fourth to fifth
45
Fifth to sixth
55
It is hard to have another gear there and not shift into it. You really want to do it. Fill your tank and go out and run it out on the highway, not ever shifting into 6th. You'll see what I mean.
#52
On the highway I run at 110 kph which is 68 mph, 6th gear seems ok at that speed running at 2500 rpm. Where I live it is mainly small rolling hills so even with the cruise on 6th gear is still good. When I get down to 100 kph or 62 mph I would say that the engine is lugging a bit in 6th gear.
#53
Great article that I`ll have to read fully. Skimming answered at least one question I had - why the DET sensor didn`t prevent my pinging. It`s because my pinging must have been from hot spots, which retarded timing won`t affect. It may sense the detonation and retard the timing, but it doesn`t stop the pinging. We sure can`t rely on that thing then! I was actually considering having my timing retarded as well as a permanently richer fuel map if there is such a thing, at the dealer, but it sounds like with Harley spark plugs the stock DET sensor should address the timing and I should concentrate on a fuel controller as you and others suggested. Even if I shouldn`t need to on a stock bike, it is what it is and no Harley sure won`t care what I do or fix it for me. In fact they`ll be quite happy to keep selling pistons and cylinders.
The article says its hard on rods too, but I`ll assume if the dealer felt the rod or anything else sustained damage, they would have ordered one up too.
The article says its hard on rods too, but I`ll assume if the dealer felt the rod or anything else sustained damage, they would have ordered one up too.
BTW, I'm assuming you are using premium gas.
Last edited by carpetride; 07-17-2011 at 05:44 AM.
#54
Been an interesting thread. That being said, has anyone thought about dropping the trans pulley from 32T to a 30T like HD did on our 2011 Trike? Makes 6th gear much more usable and gets the whole gear ratios in the 6 speed much better. Just a thought for conversational purposes even though it costs money to change the pulley. Most of the 2009-2010 Tri-Glide owners have already made this swap and a very happy if you visit our section.
#55
Been an interesting thread. That being said, has anyone thought about dropping the trans pulley from 32T to a 30T like HD did on our 2011 Trike? Makes 6th gear much more usable and gets the whole gear ratios in the 6 speed much better. Just a thought for conversational purposes even though it costs money to change the pulley. Most of the 2009-2010 Tri-Glide owners have already made this swap and are very happy. The tune is also very important regarding heat and EITMS issues. Come visit our Tri-Glide forum.
Last edited by Buddy WMC; 07-17-2011 at 09:35 AM.
#56
I spend most of my time above 3000 rpm un less I am cruising on flat level ground at 65 mph.
Lugging the motor or pulling it hard below 2500 rpm, leads to increased cylinder temps which leads to predetination, ping etc.
These motors will happily rev to above 5000 rpm and not even think twice about it. It is much harder on the motor to short shift it keeping below 3000 rpm then it is to let it sing a little.
Lugging the motor or pulling it hard below 2500 rpm, leads to increased cylinder temps which leads to predetination, ping etc.
These motors will happily rev to above 5000 rpm and not even think twice about it. It is much harder on the motor to short shift it keeping below 3000 rpm then it is to let it sing a little.
#57
#59
On the highway I run at 110 kph which is 68 mph, 6th gear seems ok at that speed running at 2500 rpm. Where I live it is mainly small rolling hills so even with the cruise on 6th gear is still good. When I get down to 100 kph or 62 mph I would say that the engine is lugging a bit in 6th gear.
I just heard from a possibly questionable source that 09`s and up had gearing changed so 6th is more usable at 110 kph. Mine`s an 08 though so I simply will hardly ever use it. One concern I almost forgot about is that my 5th gear is noisier than 6th and may be one of the reasons I had for avoiding it. That`ll suck now that I think of it droning on for 20,000 km. Anyway by the sounds of it 6th at 110 kph should be okay if its at 2500 rpm, and that may be because yours is presumably a 2009 or newer, I was dazzled by your paint job and didn`t notice. Mine at 110 would be under 2500 I`m pretty sure so I can`t use it there.
#60
And yes I`m using premium gas but I also heard regular can be better if you by the octane booster becuase in these high gas price times people aren`t buying premium so it gets old so better with boosted fresh regular. I heard this from at least one dealer as well as someone on here. In the US where premium is not near as much vs regular, I just got premium all the time as the booster ain`t cheap if you add the specified amount. But in Canada I`d tend to use regular with booster and if it pinged I`d try premium but it made no difference just like running it in 5th made no difference.