Indianapolis Police Protest Ride
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Bill, "breathalyzed" at the scene is not the correct term. The unit used on scene or in the field is a preliminary breath test (PBT) it's results(the numeric result) in most states are not admissable in a court of law, only a pass or fail. Therefore those units are not required by most departments to be standard issue. Physical tests administered on scene like the walk and turn, one leg stand, and horizontal gaze nstagmus, are what determines whether a suspect is arrested or freed to leave. That being said, every department in every state have their own policy and procedures. In our state, any motor vehicle operator involved in a fatal crash suspected or not must submit a sample of blood, breath, and or urine for impairment testing. Bill to answer your question, yes but the only tests admissable in court must be performed by a certified breath test operator or for blood or urine nurse, lab tech, phlebotomist or doctor.
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The majority of my friends and fellow riders are cops and not a one of them feels that the cop in question has a leg to stand on. Believe it or not, many cops feel that the odd bad apple does nothing but give them all a bad name. As in any walk of life, there are bad apples or persons who do not belong in places of authority. It's just so sad that a tragedy such as this has to be the way to shine the spotlight on one particular bad apple.
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Most of all I feel sorry for Mr Wells and his wife and children. The officer has not even
said he is sorryfor this in public. Most of all Man up and admit your mistake.
said he is sorryfor this in public. Most of all Man up and admit your mistake.
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I have no way of knowing what the procedure in Indy is, but LEO's in MY county have 4 designated hospitals to do blood, urine, and any other test they need in that type situation. Indy has a larger population than my whole county, but I'd be surprised if they didn't have designated places to do the same. I know the Sheriff and the two city Police Chiefs here well and would bet my life on any one of them not only firing the perp on the spot but also the officers involved for not following the proper procedures! In the case of the Sheriff, he's already fired and jailed one of his own for DUI and recomended the maximum sentence to the judge.
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As angry as the average rider/citizen is, I can assure you the real police officers here (including me) are even angrier! Why? Because it is stupid actions such as these (if they indeed flesh out) which gives the rest of us a black eye. I've been on 15 years (less than some, more than others) and I'm a sergeant. I've had/known a few officers who have behaved at a less than acceptable level, and I seen them disciplined or fired. I've done both a few times and, despite what some may believe, I HAVE placed cuffs on the truly wrong ones. I agree there are a few bad apples out there, but don't lump the majority of us in with the riff-raff few. This would be the same as saying every Vietnam vet must be a baby killer/ rapist because a few took part in My Lai (as a Marine, I would take exception to this also). Let's just be fair and say this is a screwed up situation and allow the FBI to complete their investigation. As has been said earlier; if there is actually a cover up, charge them all. The real cops among you will agree.
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I realize it is all too often used as an expression, but there WAS no murder, as that requires an intent to actually kill somebody. And while the BAT results being tossed will lower the level of crime he can be charged with, I would HOPE to hell that the District Attorneyy's office up there is competent enuff to get a felony conviction on this guy.
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Dogcop727-as long as RICO statutes are legal, the answer is "yes". The government has ruled that it IS okay in our country to hold everybody in the group accountable because of what one bad apple does. What's good for the goose....
Last edited by Sharknose; 09-07-2010 at 12:11 PM.