Damm Flat Tire.. move to the Darkside??
#92
01-23-2012, 08:18 AM
Ahhhh...don't we just LOVE those totally uneducated posts from the "crash and burn" crowd? It seems that they are able to type a bit, but unable to read.
Fortunately for us Darksiders, we were able to read, digest, investigate, and cross over. Catch my Heritage in the twisties of N. Ga. ...if you can. No chicken strip on my FRONT tires. Nor for Smokin' Joe in the pic above - one of 4000+ Valk and Wing riders on them.
Nor will ANY of us go back, because PERFORMANCE is off the chain...seems that the MC tire industry has been selling coolaid for a very long time - at quite a profit margin compared to CT's.
Drink the Coolaid. Keep the nonexistent fires out. No one's trying to convince you, ESPECIALLY since you don't read up. Stay in the middle, don't take "chances", be "safe", and tuck in that shirt!
Fortunately for us Darksiders, we were able to read, digest, investigate, and cross over. Catch my Heritage in the twisties of N. Ga. ...if you can. No chicken strip on my FRONT tires. Nor for Smokin' Joe in the pic above - one of 4000+ Valk and Wing riders on them.
Nor will ANY of us go back, because PERFORMANCE is off the chain...seems that the MC tire industry has been selling coolaid for a very long time - at quite a profit margin compared to CT's.
Drink the Coolaid. Keep the nonexistent fires out. No one's trying to convince you, ESPECIALLY since you don't read up. Stay in the middle, don't take "chances", be "safe", and tuck in that shirt!
#95
01-23-2012, 08:50 PM
Road Warrior
#96
01-23-2012, 09:48 PM
First, 9,000 miles is a major exaggeration. Dual compound tires are reporting 15,000+ miles.
And CT's are regularly getting over 20-30K for a lot less, if that's the reason for riding them.
I would rather have the narrower contact patch of an MT than the wider, flat contact patch of a CT with the potentially lighter weight of the motorcycle on the rear tire. (3500-4300lbs/4 CTs vs. 1100lbs/2 MTs with rear bias) in the rain, that's for sure. Now if the tread is better at hydro-management, that would be interesting to learn about.
Hundreds of posts deferring to this very fact: they stick in the rain, and even cornering wet.
I agree, and no one has proven to me that CT car tires are softer than MT but I'm certainly open to the data.
Seems like I'd given you this thread before, but here it is again: http://mcdarksiders.forumotion.com/t557-durometer-test-on-205-and-dunniepics-added?highlight=durometer
And I'd rather not ride on a CT whose sidewall must flex by rolling to the outside in order to maintain a decent contact patch. The CT fans seem to be long-distance interstate riders, lots of straights.
And CT's are regularly getting over 20-30K for a lot less, if that's the reason for riding them.
I would rather have the narrower contact patch of an MT than the wider, flat contact patch of a CT with the potentially lighter weight of the motorcycle on the rear tire. (3500-4300lbs/4 CTs vs. 1100lbs/2 MTs with rear bias) in the rain, that's for sure. Now if the tread is better at hydro-management, that would be interesting to learn about.
Hundreds of posts deferring to this very fact: they stick in the rain, and even cornering wet.
I agree, and no one has proven to me that CT car tires are softer than MT but I'm certainly open to the data.
Seems like I'd given you this thread before, but here it is again: http://mcdarksiders.forumotion.com/t557-durometer-test-on-205-and-dunniepics-added?highlight=durometer
And I'd rather not ride on a CT whose sidewall must flex by rolling to the outside in order to maintain a decent contact patch. The CT fans seem to be long-distance interstate riders, lots of straights.
On that note, they are designed to do far more than just "flex":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbYzhpURFDU
#97
01-23-2012, 10:57 PM
Elite HDF Member
[FONT=Fixedsys][COLOR=DarkRed]FAR from it! If you'd been on the DS forums, you'd find a generous host of riders loving the way they handle the twisties. Go sit around the Dragon some day and watch what comes through - you'll see quite a few Darksiders if you're looking. And they flex the inside sidewall, not the outside. Compress is a better word. They do it because they are designed to do it.
On that note, they are designed to do far more than just "flex":
On that note, they are designed to do far more than just "flex":
I hadn't seen that thread (or it didn't open last time). I just did the same thing, the Kumho's are softer on my Audi than the front tire on my SG. Considering they are within the same age of each other, seems valid enough. Can't tell with the link, but point taken. I don't how well it correlates to adhesion however.
Regarding sidewall flex, I'm referring to leaning. I'm told, and it appears, the sidewall will curl to the outside. In otherwords, when turning left, the left sidewall will curl outward, allowing for more contact patch.
What I haven't seen, looking at some videos, is a bike two up, taking 65-80mph sweepers or any Dragon footage at speed. I would be interested however.
Regardless, it obviously works for quite a few, but not only is no bike sold that way, the mounting process is compromised due to modification, and probably highly dangerous and compromised for any track day for a bike leaning at 35-50 degrees. We'll never see that on our touring bikes, that's for sure.
To each their own, I'm staying with my MT.
Last edited by Deuuuce; 01-23-2012 at 11:53 PM.
#98
01-23-2012, 11:11 PM
Having a pre-09 I guess I don't have a dog in this fight. Just curious about the difference in sidewalls, from a different perspective. All is fine when the sun is out and the proper amount of air is in either type, but as both tires deflate (from the random screw or nail) which one will be more controllable as one slows and pulls onto the shoulder? If car tires have more flexible sidwalls, intuitively I would think that the scooter would be more difficult to keep upright as it wobbles and slides from one side of the sidewalls to the other before a directional input takes effect. I don't buy tires with the idea that they will go flat, but I would hope that MC tires have been designed with the idea of maintaining control at least to allow a controlled stop in mind. In a cage, driving across a flat tire first in one direction, then in the other usually won't cause the vehicle to tip over. (Presuming it's not an Explorer running on Firestones)
I believe run flat car tires require special mounting equipment which most likely wouldn't handle MC wheels with the relatively tiny center holes.
I believe run flat car tires require special mounting equipment which most likely wouldn't handle MC wheels with the relatively tiny center holes.
#99
01-23-2012, 11:51 PM
Elite HDF Member
#100
01-24-2012, 07:30 AM
Road Warrior
Having a pre-09 I guess I don't have a dog in this fight. Just curious about the difference in sidewalls, from a different perspective. All is fine when the sun is out and the proper amount of air is in either type, but as both tires deflate (from the random screw or nail) which one will be more controllable as one slows and pulls onto the shoulder? If car tires have more flexible sidwalls, intuitively I would think that the scooter would be more difficult to keep upright as it wobbles and slides from one side of the sidewalls to the other before a directional input takes effect. I don't buy tires with the idea that they will go flat, but I would hope that MC tires have been designed with the idea of maintaining control at least to allow a controlled stop in mind. In a cage, driving across a flat tire first in one direction, then in the other usually won't cause the vehicle to tip over. (Presuming it's not an Explorer running on Firestones)
I believe run flat car tires require special mounting equipment which most likely wouldn't handle MC wheels with the relatively tiny center holes.
I believe run flat car tires require special mounting equipment which most likely wouldn't handle MC wheels with the relatively tiny center holes.
