111hp/115ft lbs...should I be disappointed?
#92
03-25-2010, 10:07 AM
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03-25-2010, 12:04 PM
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#94
03-25-2010, 12:17 PM
something doesn't sound right. That cam should be delivering 100+ ftlbs with that 110 displacement before it reaches 2300 rpms. I would get your cylinder pressure checked to see if they are with-in the same PSI of eachother by no more than a 7% differance. If they are not, one of your cylinders is doing extra work to carry that weeker cylinder; which means loss of torque.
Looking at the dyno runs at Bob Woods website for builds like yours; makes your build look like a joke.
Looking at the dyno runs at Bob Woods website for builds like yours; makes your build look like a joke.
Please point me to any dyno you've seen or have that has better performance (111/115) on a 2010 110 and that might be a good starting point for me to see if I have an issue with the software, the build or simply the dyno it was measured on.
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#95
03-25-2010, 12:20 PM
The AFR is reasonably flat although some tweaking might help. The riding is a blast and I really couldn't ask for more, but if there is more that's in the build that just hasn't been realized through the tuning, I certainly would like to find it.
#96
03-25-2010, 01:00 PM
All things being equal, a 5th gear SAE pull will produce about 5 more foot pounds of torque than a 4th gear pull. Why? Generally speaking, the higher the transmission gear, the greater the engine loading and the higher the power reading will be.
#97
03-25-2010, 03:24 PM
I don't understand this arguement. The only thing that can be noted about the difference in engine configurations, MIGHT be the stroke. There is not that much difference mechanically, between the old and new twin cam configurations. That's hardly an arguement when you are talking about the kind of modifications that you did to your engine.
I would seriously get your cylinder pressure checked.
And to the gentleman that said that your bike isn't broke in yet; if you put a bike on a dyno and tune it, I gaurentee you that those rings will be seated after the tune is done. That motor is as broke in, as it is going to get. You want to put money on it?????
I would seriously get your cylinder pressure checked.
And to the gentleman that said that your bike isn't broke in yet; if you put a bike on a dyno and tune it, I gaurentee you that those rings will be seated after the tune is done. That motor is as broke in, as it is going to get. You want to put money on it?????
It's worth noting that all the builds on the Woods site (or any site for that matter) show dynos for 110 builds that were not done with the 2010 SEPST. They we all pre-2009 motors and none used the latest version of the SuperTuner which significantly changed the tuning parameters. To date, I have yet to see a single 2010 110 motor produce better results (naturally) using the SEPST. Based on discussions with various tuners they believe alot of the issue is the limitation in the most current version of the software. That being said I have yet to see a single 2010 110 motor that's delivered more performance using Master Tune or any other tuning software.
Please point me to any dyno you've seen or have that has better performance (111/115) on a 2010 110 and that might be a good starting point for me to see if I have an issue with the software, the build or simply the dyno it was measured on.
Please point me to any dyno you've seen or have that has better performance (111/115) on a 2010 110 and that might be a good starting point for me to see if I have an issue with the software, the build or simply the dyno it was measured on.
#98
03-25-2010, 03:45 PM
#99
03-25-2010, 03:50 PM
I did speak with him and he thought it should have delivered more results on the dyno (closer to 120/120). But what's he going to do now.
IMO there are only 3 realistic options if the results should really be higher.
If anyone has seen any 2010 110 engine upgrades (no blowers or turbos) that have generated better than 111hp/115ft-lbs I'd be very interested.
IMO there are only 3 realistic options if the results should really be higher.
- swap out the 50 mm TB for the 58mm and retune
- Have the bike retuned by someone more experienced with the 2010 SEST than my dealership
- Leave it alone other than continue to tune myself using the Smarttune software and then redyno at another shop to confirm my dealer's results. Currently the Smarttuning is definitely making a modest difference to the tuning that can definitely be felt in the saddle. I hope to have it dynoed in the coming weeks to see if the results are improved.
If anyone has seen any 2010 110 engine upgrades (no blowers or turbos) that have generated better than 111hp/115ft-lbs I'd be very interested.
#100
03-25-2010, 06:04 PM
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