ABS Brakes
#41
The following is the HD Service Bulletin - could not get it to attach. Called my dealer said no problem, bring it in and we can make the needed calibration adjustments.
CALIBRATION UPGRADE FOR 2009
TOURING MODELS WITH ABS
Purpose
Since Harley-Davidson is committed to continuous improvement,
an ABS (Anti-Lock Brake System) calibration change
was recently incorporated into 2010 ABS equipped Touring
model motorcycles on the production line. These changes
can be applied to 2009 Touring model motorcycles as well.
The refinement to the ABS calibration reduces the likelihood
of unintended ABS activations when braking over bumps,
cracks, and other road surface anomalies in otherwise good
traction conditions. The change also reduces the likelihood of
unintended ABS activation during threshold braking. It also
permits reuse of the Hydraulic Control Unit (HCU) if Electrical
Control Unit (ECU) replacement is required.
In the interest of promoting customer satisfaction, Harley-
Davidson has decided to offer this change as a current production
ABS calibration upgrade at no charge to all owners of
2009 Touring model motorcycles. This offer includes stock
production, Police and CVO motorcycles. This calibration
upgrade offer is valid from now to the end of the motorcycle’s
warranty period.
Motorcycles Affected
All 2009 model year Touring model motorcycles equipped
with ABS.
Required Dealer Action
If customer expresses concern with ABS performance, proceed
with the following steps prior to performing other diagnosis:
1. Connect Digital Technician to the vehicle. If the displayed
ECU calibration is 32836-09, then the ECU
should be reflashed to the 32836-09A calibration.
NOTES
● If the brake system has not been opened since factory
installation or a recent ABS Service has been performed
and it is apparent that there is no air in the hydraulic system,
it is not necessary to perform the "Manual Bleed"
procedures within the ABS Service Procedure after
recalibration. You must follow all other steps which check
for proper brake operation and clear the C1158 code.
● A proper "Manual Brake Bleed" procedure must be performed
at each appropriate step of the ABS Service if
the brake lines have been opened for any reason.
2. Complete ABS Service within Digital Technician after
performing reflash.
Credit Procedure
NOTE
Warranty coverage for calibration updates ends with
normal vehicle warranty.
Complete a warranty claim referencing Service Bulletin
M-1251. Fill in the rest of the claim as follows:
ENTRY FIELD ENTER
Claim Type MC/DEM
Event Problem Part No. 32836-09/DT
Quantity Leave Blank
Primary Labor Code* 2678
Time 0.3 Hours
Customer Concern Code* 9203
Condition Code* 9110
* These codes may need to be downloaded into your
system
M-1251 July 24, 2009
CALIBRATION UPGRADE FOR 2009
TOURING MODELS WITH ABS
Purpose
Since Harley-Davidson is committed to continuous improvement,
an ABS (Anti-Lock Brake System) calibration change
was recently incorporated into 2010 ABS equipped Touring
model motorcycles on the production line. These changes
can be applied to 2009 Touring model motorcycles as well.
The refinement to the ABS calibration reduces the likelihood
of unintended ABS activations when braking over bumps,
cracks, and other road surface anomalies in otherwise good
traction conditions. The change also reduces the likelihood of
unintended ABS activation during threshold braking. It also
permits reuse of the Hydraulic Control Unit (HCU) if Electrical
Control Unit (ECU) replacement is required.
In the interest of promoting customer satisfaction, Harley-
Davidson has decided to offer this change as a current production
ABS calibration upgrade at no charge to all owners of
2009 Touring model motorcycles. This offer includes stock
production, Police and CVO motorcycles. This calibration
upgrade offer is valid from now to the end of the motorcycle’s
warranty period.
Motorcycles Affected
All 2009 model year Touring model motorcycles equipped
with ABS.
Required Dealer Action
If customer expresses concern with ABS performance, proceed
with the following steps prior to performing other diagnosis:
1. Connect Digital Technician to the vehicle. If the displayed
ECU calibration is 32836-09, then the ECU
should be reflashed to the 32836-09A calibration.
NOTES
● If the brake system has not been opened since factory
installation or a recent ABS Service has been performed
and it is apparent that there is no air in the hydraulic system,
it is not necessary to perform the "Manual Bleed"
procedures within the ABS Service Procedure after
recalibration. You must follow all other steps which check
for proper brake operation and clear the C1158 code.
● A proper "Manual Brake Bleed" procedure must be performed
at each appropriate step of the ABS Service if
the brake lines have been opened for any reason.
2. Complete ABS Service within Digital Technician after
performing reflash.
Credit Procedure
NOTE
Warranty coverage for calibration updates ends with
normal vehicle warranty.
Complete a warranty claim referencing Service Bulletin
M-1251. Fill in the rest of the claim as follows:
ENTRY FIELD ENTER
Claim Type MC/DEM
Event Problem Part No. 32836-09/DT
Quantity Leave Blank
Primary Labor Code* 2678
Time 0.3 Hours
Customer Concern Code* 9203
Condition Code* 9110
* These codes may need to be downloaded into your
system
M-1251 July 24, 2009
#43
Seems like people with the non ABS bikes never rode one or have one with these brakes and are just making a sensless argument. All you have to do is go to one of the demonstrations that your local State Trooper Motorcycle units put on at Harley events. Watch how they stop with and without ABS and you'll see the difference. After I saw the Wisconsin State Patrol demo I knew that ABS was the top of my list option for my 09 Ultra.
Christian
Cleveland, Wisconsin
Christian
Cleveland, Wisconsin
#44
[quote=Philly76;6119105]The following is the HD Service Bulletin - could not get it to attach. Called my dealer said no problem, bring it in and we can make the needed calibration adjustments.
Thanks...I'll bring this up when I take mine in for the fuel tank recall...
Christian
Cleveland, Wisconsin
Thanks...I'll bring this up when I take mine in for the fuel tank recall...
Christian
Cleveland, Wisconsin
#45
When I was looking at my soon to be new bike I insisted the ABS be removed. Salesman said impossible. I reasoned 50 yrs of riding could easily beat some damned gadget. I was wrong. I've only had to panic stop twice but the system worked. It really isn't possible to say if it was not for ABS there would have been an accident. I can say with certainty that the ABS did not hurt anything. I try real hard to anticipate dumbasses on the road. That is where 50 yrs of riding can make a difference.
#47
Update.
Visited the other dealer today. They looked at the brake pads which still had about the width of a credit card at the thinnest point. They checked the run out and said they would replace both rotors under warranty. Harley allowed run out is 6-8,000. One of my rotors was 10,000 and the other was 25,000.
I have to wait for them to be ordered but for now I'm happy with the result.
Visited the other dealer today. They looked at the brake pads which still had about the width of a credit card at the thinnest point. They checked the run out and said they would replace both rotors under warranty. Harley allowed run out is 6-8,000. One of my rotors was 10,000 and the other was 25,000.
I have to wait for them to be ordered but for now I'm happy with the result.
#48
Warped rotors ARE a warrantable item. Ive changed lots of them under factory and ESP as long as they are out of spec (greater than .008" warped) they are covered. Go to a different dealer.
I cant understand the dealers that wont change parts under warranty, its gauranteed money and makes customers happy.
I cant understand the dealers that wont change parts under warranty, its gauranteed money and makes customers happy.
#49
#50
ABS - Almost Braking Soon.
Sorry guys. Couldn't resist after reading all 5 pages of this thread. Seeing as how baggers are so heavy I can see ABS being a good thing. Certainly not necessary but good for sure.
I've got a 99 FLHT and I'm blown away at how much heavier the Ultra's and Classic's are. I'd probably want ABS on something that heavy too. Could just be all the junk in the trunk of the guys bikes I've sat on though.
Sorry guys. Couldn't resist after reading all 5 pages of this thread. Seeing as how baggers are so heavy I can see ABS being a good thing. Certainly not necessary but good for sure.
I've got a 99 FLHT and I'm blown away at how much heavier the Ultra's and Classic's are. I'd probably want ABS on something that heavy too. Could just be all the junk in the trunk of the guys bikes I've sat on though.