sorry guys, but that 204 is still not as much bump as I'm lookin for.

 

This is the idle sound i'm looking for. Any cam suggestions?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvnZ6FFZcnU

 

You need a carbed Evo to get that sound. Twin cams, especially EFI TC's just wont get that sound, close but not exactly.

Its funny how HD motors have the same layout but all have thier own unique sound, Knucks, pans, shovels Evo's and TC's. You can pick em out blind folded.

 

ahhh, the EVO. Yeah, give me something like that. My wife's '04 883 sounds like twice the bike as my RG when they are beside each other idling.

 

Just because you put 251 cams in your bike an it ran, does not make it right. Those cams require valve spring kit . Just because I can put 2 lbs of Sh*** in a 1 lbs bag doesnt mean the bag wont tare after while. Im sure your bike ran fine. But its not right. Your springs etc are not set right for those cams at a 580 lift. for stock heads. Not trying to fight with you.
And I am glad to see you picked tr/TMAN 590 cams great cams

That being said....
Specs from HD

This camshaft is a high lift version of the SE-211 camshaft.
As such, it works great with 103" and larger engines with free
flowing intake and exhaust. It can be used with stock heads
updated with race springs and high compression pistons to
get even more torque than a SE-211 cam or couple it with any
of the performance heads to realize the full power potential

of this cam.

 

so what's the description for the 211's. How does it sound? Is this the most powerful cam for stock, free-flowing 96's?

 

Wrong, I put the TR-590 in after headwork. The SE251 was a great cam for the stock head set-up; about 10.1:1 compression, stock heads, 103", 99HP/102TQ, wide flat torque curve for over 10,000 miles and everything was in good shape when disassembled. Hit the rev limiter numerous times with no valve float at 6,200 RPM.

Give me some objective evidence why some Woods cams with more aggressive ramps and HQ cams with more lift are OK but the SE251 with .579" lift and less aggressive ramps are not OK?

B

 

another question, what is the compression on a stock 96 with good, strong cams

 

Do you even know what valve spring requirements are?

When you make bikes that pump 500 plus horse come talk to me and tell me whats right.

As a shop owner I am going to recommend the best for your heads. I guess I should have said....

Yes the stock springs, seals and valves will work but it is recommend that you upgrade your springs for higher lift cams. on 570 lift and higher cams. As long as they have bee hive springs in them. Any one who makes cams and sells them and does head work will tell you to change the springs etc to match the high lift cams. I am not going to have a post war with you

And where was I wrong about your 590 lift cams I would never recommend that high of lift cam on stock springs, etc.. I said good choice on those cams.

Ride safe and have a merry xmas...

 

spring height should be.
It is always recommaned that you check you spring pack before using a cam that is near your max.

1. put spring in vise and close it until the outer spring is soild
2. measure the spring land and note it on paper
3. now add up the installed spring height
( height=Soild height plus 0.60 plus max valve lift
4. max valve lift you can get from cam specs
5. when you get ready to instal them make sure you have a.050 minimum clearance between the top of the valve guide and bottom and upper spring collar at max cam lift.
6. Soild height + .lift refers to spring force when the valve is seated

I have been following this for a few years right from Andrews. I tried to remember this of my head to much sh*** to remember LOL I am not at the shop to look at my guides and notes.