PCV with 2 maps AGAIN
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PCV with 2 maps AGAIN
Ok, I understand how to hook the switch to toggle between 2 maps, but the question I have is;
How would you explain the 2 maps I am looking to have made?
For one, I would like it to be made with all HP and torque in mind not taking MPG into consideration.
For the second one I would like to have a great MPG map that I could use on the road where heat would not normally be a factor.
I got my PCV from Jamie but I don't even know what the map is that is loaded. I just installed cd today and hooked to bike. Not sure what to do to retreive map from pcv back to laptop?
Bike has stock ecm, v&H big shot duals with fishtail tips and stage 1 air cleaner.
Thanks!
How would you explain the 2 maps I am looking to have made?
For one, I would like it to be made with all HP and torque in mind not taking MPG into consideration.
For the second one I would like to have a great MPG map that I could use on the road where heat would not normally be a factor.
I got my PCV from Jamie but I don't even know what the map is that is loaded. I just installed cd today and hooked to bike. Not sure what to do to retreive map from pcv back to laptop?
Bike has stock ecm, v&H big shot duals with fishtail tips and stage 1 air cleaner.
Thanks!
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I just did this recently. Just picked up a $3 SPST submini toggle switch at Radio Shack(p/n 275-0612). In PC5 software if you don't have Autotune you select PC Tools/Configure/Map Switch and check the box and this will allow you to load a second map. Your first(original map) map will be in Map 1(open switch)and second map in Map 2(closed). I mounted the switch right below the seat on the frame above plug wires as there some holes already there. I can access the switch easily while I am riding.
Last edited by acchd; 02-08-2010 at 07:09 PM. Reason: added pic switch
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To load 2 maps to your PC-V here are some basic instructions. Hardware wise all you have to do is wire any open/close style switch to the #1 and #2 terminals on the PC-V unit. To set up your maps in the software you will use the following procedure. Connect your PC-V to the USB cable and open the software, go to Power Commander Tools/Configure/Map Switch and check "enable map switch". Once this is enabled when you retrieve or send a map you will have the option of sending it to map position 1 or map position 2. You can now load the appropriate maps and send them to the position you desire. Also note in the software on the left side you can left click on any of the data channels and change it to read "current map" To verify your switch is working simply toggle the switch back and forth and note that it will change from map 1 to map 2. For reference, map 1 will be an open circuit and map 2 will be the closed circuit.
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Also note that when using a PCV with no Auto-Tune, you can switch between two different maps. With Auto-Tune you can only switch between open- and closed-loop using one base map. With AT I did it by creating a base map based on Fuel Moto's richer settings in the Target AFR tables. You do this by simply riding the bike through all ranges, like on a long day ride. After doing that I clicked on "Accept Trims" to create the new base map, then changed the Target AFR settings in the cruise range. For my bike the cruise range is between 2000-3000 RPM @ 5-15% TP. So, when in closed-loop mode (AT working) it is using the leaner targets in the cruise range and when I switch to open-loop (no AT) it is using the base map (richer).
If you're running a PCV with no-AT you can alter the values in Fuel Moto's map in the cruise range, starting by cutting them in half. I also tapered it a bit on both sides--i.e. in the 2% and 20% columns. You can go further and lean it even more, and on my '07 before adding AT I had mostly 0's in the cruise range, which gave me about 14.6:1 AFR's. That's right at stock specs and will run a bit hot in summer traffic, which is why you're using a switch and going through this to begin with. With an oil-cooler my bike runs no more than 205° oil-temp as long as it is moving, up to as high as 230° in heavy traffic. I try to anticipate these hot-running situations by flipping the switch early, as switching to the richer map will not instantly reduce oil-temps. Instead, it is a slow process and it helps to have it in the richer map well before you get into the traffic if possible.
For the basic PCV I would use the Fuel Moto map for your richer map (call it Map 1), then change only the cruise range for the second leaner map (Map 2). You can then run Map 2 most of the time, as it will run lean in the cruise range, but rich like the first map at TP's above 40%. So when you roll it on you'll be running with the same optimal settings outside the cruise range as with Map 1. When you get into traffic just switch to Map 1 to cool it down. For AT, change the Target AFR tables only in the cruise range using the same rationale as above.
It's hard to describe this process, so if any of this isn't clear drop me a reply.
Last edited by iclick; 02-04-2010 at 11:00 AM.
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This is exactly what I want to do!!!!
I am tagging this thread. I just picked up a PCV from a member on the forum and have to contact Jamie for a map or maps. I would also like the option of switching between two maps.
I have an 07 Ultra with a high flow air filter, Rhinehart True Duals with Big City Thunder Baffles.
I eventually plan on adding an Auto Tuner and a SE 255 cam. I have been following ICLICK's threads and plan on taking his advice.
Everyone has been awesome on this forum.... this forum is like crack!!!
I can't stop reading and reading is causing me to buy more upgrades for my bike!!
Thanks,
Scott
I have an 07 Ultra with a high flow air filter, Rhinehart True Duals with Big City Thunder Baffles.
I eventually plan on adding an Auto Tuner and a SE 255 cam. I have been following ICLICK's threads and plan on taking his advice.
Everyone has been awesome on this forum.... this forum is like crack!!!
I can't stop reading and reading is causing me to buy more upgrades for my bike!!
Thanks,
Scott