Why do we tow trailers when the owners manual clearly states not to do so???
#72
Let's see how many guys I tick off with this............to the guy saying trailering is "dangerous"...............
I'd bet if you see 1,000 guys trailering their bike, they'll be in FAR less accidents than the 1,000 guys you see climb on their bike at the bar when it closes about 2:30 A:M.
Commence the flaming .......
I'd bet if you see 1,000 guys trailering their bike, they'll be in FAR less accidents than the 1,000 guys you see climb on their bike at the bar when it closes about 2:30 A:M.
Commence the flaming .......
#73
I can imagine the sway created from an improperly loaded trailer. Seen some pretty scary trailer pullin cages on the road, wouldn't want to see that or experience it with a bike. I've got plans, and half the stuff gathered to make my own though. Was wondering if load stabilizers and anti sway bars fitted for a bike would be worth thinkin about?
But, I think also that the necessity to install other parts to accomodate the extra weight, like an oil cooler or possibly heavier shocks, could come into play concerning the issue with HD not recommending it. I'm sure the liability would the greatest concern.
But, I think also that the necessity to install other parts to accomodate the extra weight, like an oil cooler or possibly heavier shocks, could come into play concerning the issue with HD not recommending it. I'm sure the liability would the greatest concern.
#75
I don't have a trailer, yet. But I do have a buddy with an older Bushtec and every year in June we ride over to Idaho for an annual golf tournament. His trailer easily hauls both sets of clubs if we take our drivers out of the bags and place at an angle. I always follow due to the increased stopping distance for him so I have watched how that trailer performs for hundreds of miles on every type of grade, speed, turns, etc. That trailer tracks perfectly. Other than increasing stopping distances and planning stops with no need to back-up, he pretty much just rides as normal.
I think the biggest safety factor here is the quality and design of the trailer. This Bushtec has narrow wheels and tires. Similar to the front wheels on a small motorcycle. Swivel mount so if the bike lays down, the trailer stays upright. It also has independent suspension with a finely tunable air shock system that works with the standard HD shock pump. If you lift the trailer you can also see that the wheels are slightly cambered in. The ability to adjust the suspension is a huge and improper adjustment can result in poor handling, bounce, or worse. As others have mentioned, load / weight distribution when packing is critical.
There are lots of less expensive options out there with solid axels, non-adjustable shocks, wide tires, standard fixed hitch, etc. You can build one for a few hundred by buying a PVC car topper and bolting it onto a cheap Harbor Frieght frame and wheels. I am of the opinion that an MC trailer is NOT a good place to go cheap.
I think the biggest safety factor here is the quality and design of the trailer. This Bushtec has narrow wheels and tires. Similar to the front wheels on a small motorcycle. Swivel mount so if the bike lays down, the trailer stays upright. It also has independent suspension with a finely tunable air shock system that works with the standard HD shock pump. If you lift the trailer you can also see that the wheels are slightly cambered in. The ability to adjust the suspension is a huge and improper adjustment can result in poor handling, bounce, or worse. As others have mentioned, load / weight distribution when packing is critical.
There are lots of less expensive options out there with solid axels, non-adjustable shocks, wide tires, standard fixed hitch, etc. You can build one for a few hundred by buying a PVC car topper and bolting it onto a cheap Harbor Frieght frame and wheels. I am of the opinion that an MC trailer is NOT a good place to go cheap.
#76
The same reason it states in your tourpak do not exceed 20lbs in weight how many follow that rule,how many time have you been told not to drink and drive and the first thing you do after that poker run is ride to the bar and order a drink.Remember when your mom or dad said You better not do that or else. Case in point we do what we are told not to because we can RIGHT OR WRONG
My point is simply that I think the majority of us are running these bikes over their rated capacities anyway and the machines are handling it just fine. Harley, like all manufacturers, are simply trying to cover their own backsides from a legal point of view and from what I've seen so far, whether or not we get any problems with warranty issues depends on the dealers attitude. Some will make a federal case out of the hitch being on the bike and some will not.
FWIW!
Ride Safe,
Steve R.
#77
Well, I pulled a trailer a lot in the 1970's. It was a Calafia (anybody remember them?) and the hitch was a four point attached to the rear fender brace and the saddlebag mounts. The wheels were like you might find on a light duty utility trailer, and the whole thing empty was about 80#. I pulled it with my 1967 Electra Glide from Southern California to Arkansas loaded with maybe 100# of gear in it, and aside from noticing I had to brake a little harder to stop, and a little less acceleration, it was barely noticable back there.
It didn't track real good, and would sway a bit side to side at 65-70 mph, but I never found it objectionable at all.
BUT: if loaded to heavy to the rear, and not enough weight on the hitch, under deceleration or heavy braking, it could subtract some of the load from the tractive effort of the rear wheel and possibly skid or slide the rear wheel, making control extremely difficult.
I tell novice riders all the time about the work done by the rear wheel of a motorcycle. It transmits engine power to the ground, and also must keep the bike going straight while braking. If the tractive ability of the rear wheel isn't enough to handle those forces, control loss results. When braking, the total weight of the motorcycle, the rider and passengers, and static load in the bags and tour pak shifts forward, and unloads the rear wheel to some extent. A trailer amplifies the unloading of the rear wheel if the wheel isn't carrying enough tongue weight. Loss of control will come sooner than that for a bike without a trailer.
The reason riders safely pull trailers with their motorcycles, is that they recognize these factors, and allow for them. I personally won't pull a trailer anymore because I don't want to deal with it.
By the way, I sold that trailer to a friend of mine. The axle came loose from its spring on one side of the trailer, twisted backwards, and put my friend into a dangerous skid. He managed to get stopped okay. Then he unloaded the trailer contents onto his and other motorcycles with him, removed the license plate, and tossed it into a ravine somewhere in Colorado.
It didn't track real good, and would sway a bit side to side at 65-70 mph, but I never found it objectionable at all.
BUT: if loaded to heavy to the rear, and not enough weight on the hitch, under deceleration or heavy braking, it could subtract some of the load from the tractive effort of the rear wheel and possibly skid or slide the rear wheel, making control extremely difficult.
I tell novice riders all the time about the work done by the rear wheel of a motorcycle. It transmits engine power to the ground, and also must keep the bike going straight while braking. If the tractive ability of the rear wheel isn't enough to handle those forces, control loss results. When braking, the total weight of the motorcycle, the rider and passengers, and static load in the bags and tour pak shifts forward, and unloads the rear wheel to some extent. A trailer amplifies the unloading of the rear wheel if the wheel isn't carrying enough tongue weight. Loss of control will come sooner than that for a bike without a trailer.
The reason riders safely pull trailers with their motorcycles, is that they recognize these factors, and allow for them. I personally won't pull a trailer anymore because I don't want to deal with it.
By the way, I sold that trailer to a friend of mine. The axle came loose from its spring on one side of the trailer, twisted backwards, and put my friend into a dangerous skid. He managed to get stopped okay. Then he unloaded the trailer contents onto his and other motorcycles with him, removed the license plate, and tossed it into a ravine somewhere in Colorado.
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