I have to ask .... What would you suggest as an alternative? Not have any laws that protect us at all?

If that was the case, then living in the days of the Wild West comes to mind. Only one Sheriff in town (who usually serves a 'short stay' in office) at a time to enforce the law. And ... the only one law is ... Shoot first, ask questions later.... A violent but historical reality

... or worse ... Somalia ... a modern day reality.

 

This statement makes it obvious to all that have actually dealt with gangbangers that you've never met one on the street and only think you know what you're talking about. Watching tv crime dramas from the safety of your "white-boy" neighborhood doesn't make you an expert on street gangs and I can assure you if you ever came face to face with a real gangbanger, you'd being praying to see that cop in uniform you're so quick to demonize.

 

You are a real piece of work...................My post had to with being targeted by lawmakers and higher ups who tell cops what to do...............

Its pure discrimination. to just roadblock bikers on there way to a biker event and cops giveing tickets for anything they feel like...............hoping you are from out of town and will just pay the ticket and not fight it.

I belong to a bikers rights group and have for many years, I am trying to make fellow bikers aware of the rights hey have not to be discriminated against.

I know what we do on internet forums- I've been posting here for couple years, with no problems ...............until now. Your arrogance overwhelms your d-I-s-c-u-s-s-I-o-n

I have no problems with DWI roadblocks for all drivers or roadblocks for ALL Citizens but to be targeted going to and from an biker event and just bikers being targeted is pure discrimination.

 

What part of my statement did you not comprehend. I do not advocate lawlessness and disorder just do away with victim less crimes NO VICTIM, NO CRIME. Take the word IF out of laws and replace it with when. I have the highest respect for law and order but our prisons are over crowded our court system is fowled and true criminals are being set free because of excessive protectionism. Time, money and resources are being wasted looking for the IF equation. I still say that road blocks are a violation of my constitutional rights. Aren't you glad we still have some rights so that we can debate this quandary of weather or not we agree or disagree on a topic such as road blocks ?

 

I also think a road block is illegal search and seizure.

 

This is a Socialist country now afterall, what else would you expect?

 

"No Victim, No Crime"? So are you saying laws that are designed to prevent harm to people and property like speeding (for instance) should be done away with? That speed limits should not only be in place but not be enforced? Would that mean only if and when someone is harmed that a law is broken? How is that different from lawlessness?

I had the understanding that most laws we have are a preventative measure ... to prevent harm .... not just a punishment. Am I not understanding what you are saying?

 

Cops have always had the option to press charges ... It's not very often that it's not discretionary. Although I DO agree (believe it or not), to pick out any group is a method of profiling. Profiling is a big fat noo nooo! But I just simply don't believe that LEO's believe that all bikers are drug dealers and badass rapists. They know there is a growing percentage are normal working people like you and me, compared to the 'good old days".

They set up road blocks during events when there is a higher probability of DUI's or drug trafficking and the like. Ever noticed how many road blocks (We call them an ALERT check, here) are set up on events like New Years Eve...to check motorists for DUI's? The high percentage of charges laid during that time of year is staggering ... Even when the general public knows these check points are out there. The primary goal of doing this kind of thing is to get those idiots off the road and to somewhat hamper the intentions of others who would have other wise gotten being the wheel of their car.

Is this profiling ? ... Perhaps, it also is to a certain extent .... but, it is also a deterrent, an attempt to reduce unnecessary casualties .... which we all know far too well happens during that time of year. So again, I ask ... in this particular instance ... What would be the alternative? Wait until someone dies in a car crash with a drunk driver before charges can be laid? Where is the deterrent in that?

Many are of the opinion that the primary goal of cops out there, is to 'get us' and to increase much need revenue to justify their jobs. It's a common misconception for those who have such a negative experience with LEO's.

Granted, there are guys and gals out there that don a uniform because of their own bent ambitions to get to excercise an authority fetish ... No one can argue that. That's just simply a very sad fact.

 

You are correct in your assumption. That is exactly what i am saying. If you want to drive 100MPH then do so. When you cause an accident not if you cause an accident resulting in loss of life or property damage then be prepared for the consequences. The difference is that there are consequences for your actions and legal ramifications, it is not lawlessness. That would put you responsible for your actions not society. In your preventive world why not fine people for sun tanning after all if you are exposed to too much ultra violet radiation you will get melanoma, so society needs to protect you from your self. Keep trying you might get it someday. Selective roadblocks like just motorcycles are still unconstitutional by definition.

 

Look it's simple.
If this were so much against the law. You could get a good lawyer and make money on the deal as well as stop it for the rest of us.
I dont seem to hear about alot of people on the phone calling Sam Spital lately.

Besides the cops are doing what your politicians are telling them to. Ask yourself what party is in charge in the state this is happening in. Oh wait - that would take thinking and not feeling.
You get what you vote for.