Rush vs. SE slip ons
#12
I sold my sporty and moved up to an 09 Ultra last month. I bought the rush slip ons, they did the download and new air filter. I wanted the Harley throaty sound but did not want to be so loud that it was annoyiong. They are just not quite what I wanted, to top it off I am being told to really get the benefit I need the race tuner/dyno. I am considering putting the screaming eagle slip ons, also being told the download is really meant for the SE slip ons...Got any advice?
#14
Your new bike
You don't say which baffles you have in your Rush mufflers. If you are using 1 3/4" baffles they will be the quietest. Most riders opt for 2" baffles, but they are louder when cranking on the throttle. Idle is pretty quiet but the more throttle, the louder they are. You mention that the dealer suggested that you install their Harley fuel management device and then dyno the bike to tune it in. It is, after all a race tuning device. That is good advice if you are going to be flat tracking your bike around an oval circuit on Sat or Sun afternoon.
If you are not going to be all out racing, the Harley race tuner is overkill, to say the least. Ninenty nine percent of touring bike owners don't race, they ride.
There are many more fuel devices that are more suited for touring bikes that have the added benefit of being much cheaper, more easily installed and easier to tune than Harley's race tuner. Harley dealers put dyno machines in their shops to make money. Most (not all) will endeavor to convince you that your $25K investment will burn or blow up unless you avail yourself of their dyno service at $100 per hour or more X 2 or 3 or 4 hours. That is just pure hogwash, no pun intended. Besides all that I would never put a new bike thru a dyno tune because it will without a doubt put a huge strain on the engine, transmission and last but no least on your rear tire. Again, most riders don't know this and happily agree with the dealer when he says in order to get optimum performance out of your engine you need to dyno tune it.
If you have installed Rush mufflers, the screaming eagle air cleaner and got the stage 1 download your are good to go. If however, you want a little extra performance starting at around 3500 rpm + you might want to consider one of the many add on fuel management devices on the market. An added benefit is that they will allow your engine to run a little cooler because they typically add fuel to an already lean fuel injection system (by EPA mandate). Be aware that in the strictest of interpretations, none of the fuel management devices, including Harley's race tuner are EPA legal. If you ever get stopped or live in certain states that put your bike on a machine that checks it's air to fuel ratio when you get your inspection sticker, you will be hosed. That does not stop most riders from using them even though installing them could provide an out should you ever need to have warranty work done on your bike. It is just something to consider.
If you are not going to be all out racing, the Harley race tuner is overkill, to say the least. Ninenty nine percent of touring bike owners don't race, they ride.
There are many more fuel devices that are more suited for touring bikes that have the added benefit of being much cheaper, more easily installed and easier to tune than Harley's race tuner. Harley dealers put dyno machines in their shops to make money. Most (not all) will endeavor to convince you that your $25K investment will burn or blow up unless you avail yourself of their dyno service at $100 per hour or more X 2 or 3 or 4 hours. That is just pure hogwash, no pun intended. Besides all that I would never put a new bike thru a dyno tune because it will without a doubt put a huge strain on the engine, transmission and last but no least on your rear tire. Again, most riders don't know this and happily agree with the dealer when he says in order to get optimum performance out of your engine you need to dyno tune it.
If you have installed Rush mufflers, the screaming eagle air cleaner and got the stage 1 download your are good to go. If however, you want a little extra performance starting at around 3500 rpm + you might want to consider one of the many add on fuel management devices on the market. An added benefit is that they will allow your engine to run a little cooler because they typically add fuel to an already lean fuel injection system (by EPA mandate). Be aware that in the strictest of interpretations, none of the fuel management devices, including Harley's race tuner are EPA legal. If you ever get stopped or live in certain states that put your bike on a machine that checks it's air to fuel ratio when you get your inspection sticker, you will be hosed. That does not stop most riders from using them even though installing them could provide an out should you ever need to have warranty work done on your bike. It is just something to consider.
#15
I have the Rush 1.75 on my 09 Ultra & am very happy with the sound. Had the download done but still have stock air filter. Bike runs great. Racing tuner is not necessary unless you want. I talked to the people at Rush prior to buying the pipes and they streongly suggest you do the download. By the way Rush 1.50 are the quiest pipes not the 1.75. Enjoy whatever you decide to get. Seems Rush are popular and are a good product.
#16
Im not sure if you want SE because the rush are too loud or not loud enough? The SE slip-ons are quiet. The Rush slip-ons sound pretty sweet without going overboard. Regarding the SERT, thats a great device in the hands of a good tuner and a dyno. The SERT is probably overkill for a pair of slip-ons, considering the cost of unit and the dyno session.
#17
Yep, they are. First thing I did with SE slipons was pull the baffles and cut them in half. Now they're reasonably quiet at idle and low RPMs but sound pretty decent under WOT.
#19
Nope, I called Jamie at Fuelmoto and got the PC V and A/C. It made my Rush 2.0's sound much deeper and I could not be happier. I believe the dealer was running a special for $550 on the Super Tuner with install and dyno and I paid around $400 for both the A/C and PC V.
#20