So... you gonna turn down the retirement check the Coast Guard is going to hand you? ... or, if you put in 19 years, and then they told you to forget about the retirement check you were promised, you're cool with that?

 

Some employees have the terms of their employment in writing (almost always with a disclaimer clause indicating the employer can change those terms at will). The rest have the legal, binding, verbal agreement made at the time of employment.

Yes. Some companies ignore the loyalty of their employees, and then wonder why their employees are not motivated to be loyal to the company. Some companies take care of their employees, and the employees take care of the company. The original poster really didn't indicate how he felt towards the company. He just said it sucked losing those things after all these years.

It's possible, someone from management, or an owner, came to everyone and said "Here's the situation, and here's what we need to do to survive" and the employees were cool with that. (Even if they are, they can still think it sucks to lose something). Or, maybe they got a letter or email that said "You're losing this ****, and if you don't like it, take a hike.)

...either way, all the original poster said was he had worked 23 years under a certain agreement, the agreement was changed, and it sucked.

For that, he gets a bunch of ********* telling him how good he has it and how much worse someone else is.

 

Worked for the same company for 23 years. I don't know of too many people who worked for the same company that long.

 

Never fear my friends..... Our new Pres Elect will "spread the wealth" What that means is that each and every one of us hard working tax paying dummies are going to pay for the bozo sitting on the park bench who "does not want to work" Kinda reminds me of the union where the hard working guys are always pulling the weight of the lazy ones, huh... But all get the same rate of pay,,, cuz UAW said so.....

As far as the big 3,,, let em go bankrupt and reorganize.... THE COMPETITION COMES FROM INDIANA, ALABAMA, TENNESEE AND THE OTHER AUTO COMPANIES YOU DO NOT SEE BEGGING FOR A BAILOUT....Toyota, etc, And are manufacturing cars right here in the good ole USA... Wonder if they have ""JOB BANKS""' I'd like to sit on my *** and get paid for a year.... Hell, Chrysler is privately owned by Cerebus, one of the richest companies anywhere,,, and you want to give them how many million????
Unless you work for the government, federal or state, ie. teacher, DOT, legislator, judge, county government, Post Office,, etc.... YOU BETTER QUIT BITCHIN,,, PULL YOURSELF UP AND SAY "I WILL TAKE CARE OF ME AND MINE" and if this means sweeping floors, working at McDonalds, mowing lawns or whatever, DO IT.... QUIT EXPECTING YOUR EMPLOYER TO TAKE CARE OF YOU.... YOU GIVE HIM A DAYS WORK FOR A DAYS PAY,, NO MORE NO LESS.. This country has become a land of "OH JUST GIVE IT TO ME CAUSE I DESERVE IT... INSTEAD OF I WILL EARN IT FOR MYSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Take some pride in yourself and fund your own retirement,,, SAVE YOUR MONEY BOZO.... CD's, MMA's Annuities, IRA'S SEPA'S and much much more are available if you just quit bitchin and LEARN HOW TO TAKE CARE OF YOUR SELF....THIS MEANS RESEARCH......

But do not frett,,, our Pres Elect,,, who may be the first black President, but WILL NOT be a great President..... He will take care of those who are to lazy to do it themselves....

I have worked hard for everything I have, motorcycles, boat, house, put myself and kids through college,,, sent one son to Iraq.... Fund my own retirement and portfolio, and will NOT lower myself to ask for a handout....Because I have always taken care of me and mine..... Get some PRIDE IN YOURSELVES AND BE AMERICANS...... WHEN THE GOING GETS TOUGH.... THE TOUGH GET GOING..... SO GET GOING......

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hard work pays off,,, bitchin does not......now get to work......

 

I belong to numbersusa.com, which I donate to. I have hand written as well as faxed and emailed politicians in my district and many others about the issue.

I educate everyone I come in contact with about the issue. of ilegals.

 

Thanks.
I try to go on facts instead of emotion as much as possible.
I've been the hiring manager and the laying off manager several times and layoffs are never easy. If you fire someone because they are not contributing, that is fine, but layoffs are tough when they go to the undeserved. I had one group of employees elect to trim all their hours to 32 a week in order to save a few jobs in their assembly area. I made sure that those people were taken care of when I was able, because I respect loyalty.

Anyway, hopefully the loss of benefits is temporary and the economy will recover by the end of 2009. I think the need for companies to look hard at themselves and get leaner can be a good thing in the long term, but it is a stressful process and never fun. At the end of the day, good employees should be rewarded by their now-stronger companies. As they say on TV "your results may vary".

One final thought, based on another post I read in this thread: Anyone with a job that someone can walk in off the street (or illegally cross the border) and learn in a week, does not have job security at all and will be constantly facing downward pressure on wages and benefits because they are competing with a nearly infinite supply of unskilled labor.

 

That sucks..... You CAN roll your account over into a IRA (see your accountant) most 401(K) 's are run by an outside company.... contact them first...... there will be a fee (what ELSE is new?) but you CAN contribute, and you WILL continue to earn a tax advantage