HD Recalls, Question for Lawyer?
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Reaper:
If you have the defective part in the bike I would say they would need to inspect it and replace it under the safety recall. The recall is on the part and not the bike so the title should not matter. I read my notice and it does not address your issue, therefore you should be fine.
-BlueBear
If you have the defective part in the bike I would say they would need to inspect it and replace it under the safety recall. The recall is on the part and not the bike so the title should not matter. I read my notice and it does not address your issue, therefore you should be fine.
-BlueBear
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Interesting question Reaper. I'm no lawyer BUT if I had to guess at the answer I would be inclined to believe that since the VIN would flag the bike as Salvage, the MOCO would have the backing to refuse recall work. Only because at one point the bike was deemed totalled and therefore unsafe for operation.
I'd approach the dealership with an attitude of ignorance and see how far you can get. Not condoning any scam of any sort by any means but go in expecting the worst possible answer and accept the possbility they may fix it anyways.
I'd approach the dealership with an attitude of ignorance and see how far you can get. Not condoning any scam of any sort by any means but go in expecting the worst possible answer and accept the possbility they may fix it anyways.
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Not a lawyer, but ...
This is a safety recall. If your bike can still be licensed and operated on the street, it should still be the MoCo's duty to perform the recall. Otherwise if you operated a properly licensed vehicle in a lawful manner and the part failed causing anyone damages they would get sued. I think the salvage title is for insurance purposes, preventing a vehicle from being totaled more than once. I drove a car with a salvage title (didn't take too much damage to total out due to its age), however FoMoCo still performed an emissions recall on it.
This is a safety recall. If your bike can still be licensed and operated on the street, it should still be the MoCo's duty to perform the recall. Otherwise if you operated a properly licensed vehicle in a lawful manner and the part failed causing anyone damages they would get sued. I think the salvage title is for insurance purposes, preventing a vehicle from being totaled more than once. I drove a car with a salvage title (didn't take too much damage to total out due to its age), however FoMoCo still performed an emissions recall on it.
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Since you possess a "Salvage Title" you are entitled to the recall. In order to have the "Salvage Title" the bike had to go through a total re inspection to deem the bike safe worthy. The bike is fit and safe for use.
An example of the salvage title on the bike also means: That the bike with a regular title lets say is worth $10,000 for resale. Your bike, since it has a "salvage title" would on be worth 20%-50% of the value when sold.
Personally I wouldn't put to much money into the bike because for every dollor you spend or put into it, you are loosing half of it.
""Industry standards followed by and noted in print by the National Automobile Dealers Association (N.A.D.A.) Appraisal Guides, Kelley Blue Book Market Report Official Guide, the International Society of Automotive Appraisers (I.S.A.A.) and additional automotive business entities within the United States of America, all devalue a motor vehicle that is in possession of a “Salvage Title”, by 20% - 50% of the normal, fair market retail value of the vehicle without a “Salvage Title”. The percentage variance increases with the younger age of the vehicle at issue and the retail value of that vehicle. Any vehicle that is more than 10 years old carries the 20% minimum devaluation to the fair market value of the vehicle.
Vehicles that are in possession of a “salvage title” from a total-theft strip insurance claim, opposed to a physical damage/impact type claim, are usually devalued in a lesser percentage amount from that of a collision or fire loss insurance claim branded “salvage title”. The percentage of devaluation is decreased by between 10% - 20%, based on the age and normal retail value of the vehicle.
If the vehicle is in possession of “junk” title, the percentage of devaluation for the value increases. This is due to the fact that the vehicle & title was branded “junk” by either the insurance carrier of record or by a state agency (Department of Motor Vehicles). This type of vehicle was supposed to have been dismantled, not repaired, based on the amount of damage sustained to the vehicle as a direct result of the loss it was involved in. Vehicles with a branded “junk” title are normally devalued by a percentage of 40% - 50%, depending on the year, make and model and normal retail fair market value.
Once a vehicle is branded with a “salvage or junk” title of ownership, this type of tarnished history stays with the unit, even if the branded title is "washed clean" in another state to be free of the designation “salvage or junk”.
The marketability of any type vehicle with a “branded title or history”, is questionable. This is something to keep in mind, when contemplating the purchase of a vehicle with this condition present. ""
An example of the salvage title on the bike also means: That the bike with a regular title lets say is worth $10,000 for resale. Your bike, since it has a "salvage title" would on be worth 20%-50% of the value when sold.
Personally I wouldn't put to much money into the bike because for every dollor you spend or put into it, you are loosing half of it.
""Industry standards followed by and noted in print by the National Automobile Dealers Association (N.A.D.A.) Appraisal Guides, Kelley Blue Book Market Report Official Guide, the International Society of Automotive Appraisers (I.S.A.A.) and additional automotive business entities within the United States of America, all devalue a motor vehicle that is in possession of a “Salvage Title”, by 20% - 50% of the normal, fair market retail value of the vehicle without a “Salvage Title”. The percentage variance increases with the younger age of the vehicle at issue and the retail value of that vehicle. Any vehicle that is more than 10 years old carries the 20% minimum devaluation to the fair market value of the vehicle.
Vehicles that are in possession of a “salvage title” from a total-theft strip insurance claim, opposed to a physical damage/impact type claim, are usually devalued in a lesser percentage amount from that of a collision or fire loss insurance claim branded “salvage title”. The percentage of devaluation is decreased by between 10% - 20%, based on the age and normal retail value of the vehicle.
If the vehicle is in possession of “junk” title, the percentage of devaluation for the value increases. This is due to the fact that the vehicle & title was branded “junk” by either the insurance carrier of record or by a state agency (Department of Motor Vehicles). This type of vehicle was supposed to have been dismantled, not repaired, based on the amount of damage sustained to the vehicle as a direct result of the loss it was involved in. Vehicles with a branded “junk” title are normally devalued by a percentage of 40% - 50%, depending on the year, make and model and normal retail fair market value.
Once a vehicle is branded with a “salvage or junk” title of ownership, this type of tarnished history stays with the unit, even if the branded title is "washed clean" in another state to be free of the designation “salvage or junk”.
The marketability of any type vehicle with a “branded title or history”, is questionable. This is something to keep in mind, when contemplating the purchase of a vehicle with this condition present. ""
Last edited by RoadKing_Al; 08-16-2008 at 02:20 PM.
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The VIN shouldn't change just because your bike is on a salvage title. I would go to the Harley website and select the service tab. Put in your VIN and it should tell you what you need to know. If the recall includes your bike, it will say so. If it says that your bike is included in the recall, call your dealership and tell them that you want to schedule it. I can't imagine that they would ask you how your bike is titled. (They didn't ask me)