08 drive by wire high idle - road side fix
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08-18-2008, 05:52 PM
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I think it would be a bit more accurate if you said the heat is still there, but the pipe has been rerouted to go under the frame, and then to the rear.
#32
08-18-2008, 10:30 PM
No, it has not been fixed on the 09 models
I took delivery of a 2009 last week and I can tell you without a doubt the fast idle problem has not been fixed by the factory for the 2009 year. In first gear the bike wants to run about 20 mph. It is damn sure unsafe to be sure. When you pull up to a stop sign or try to slow down is when it is really unsafe.
My initial notice of it was the first time I put the bike in first gear and tried to take off. I immediately shot off like a rocket...I thought I might be in second gear and tried to downshift only to find I was in first gear. It is hell until you finally figure out the "cycling four times" trick to reset the idle to about 1000 instead of 1200-1500 rpm. It would have been nice had the dealer made me aware of the fact that the damn bike was going to fast idle to the point where I would feel unsafe, and then tell me the fix. I didn't hear spit from the dealer or the salesman. I finally found the fix on the internet. My guess is a couple of lawsuits will cure that oversight on somebodies part, cause this is going to cause somebody to have an accident. Maybe the National Highway Safety people should be advised.
My initial notice of it was the first time I put the bike in first gear and tried to take off. I immediately shot off like a rocket...I thought I might be in second gear and tried to downshift only to find I was in first gear. It is hell until you finally figure out the "cycling four times" trick to reset the idle to about 1000 instead of 1200-1500 rpm. It would have been nice had the dealer made me aware of the fact that the damn bike was going to fast idle to the point where I would feel unsafe, and then tell me the fix. I didn't hear spit from the dealer or the salesman. I finally found the fix on the internet. My guess is a couple of lawsuits will cure that oversight on somebodies part, cause this is going to cause somebody to have an accident. Maybe the National Highway Safety people should be advised.
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08-18-2008, 10:55 PM
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This isn't exactly the same, though I have experienced the fast idle and fix thanks to ya'll at HDForums with my 09 after blipping the throttle. Every morning when I start the bike up and it is cold... It idles up like fast idle, then a few seconds later it really starts idling fast, to the point of being dangerous... like 1800 rpms. Then once it warmed up it idles fine. Is this something others are seeing on 08/09 bikes? I thought of taking it back and complaining, but once "hot", I have no problems.
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08-19-2008, 12:32 AM
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 \\;They don't have a 100% fix yet but this should help just quote TT380 to your friendly local stealer \\; \\;TT380 – June 12, 2008 - High Idle Complaints on 2008 Touring Models
High Idle Complaints on 2008 Touring Models
Due to ’08 Electronic Throttle Control calibration strategy parameters and throttle grip sensorvariability some customers have experienced intermittent changes in idle RPMs. Thiscondition is caused by a change in the zero position stored to memory in the ECM, asdetermined by the last four readings seen at key OFF. This cannot increase engine speedwhile riding but would change the idle RPM, similar to adjusting the throttle stop screw on acarbureted model.To correct this condition we will be making several changes to the throttle grip sensor toreduce voltage variances and also update the way the calibration’s strategy looks at andrecords these voltages. Completion of these changes and test validation will take severalmonths.In the interim we have released revised calibrations in the latest version of Digital Tech toalleviate the high idle concerns for those customers experiencing the condition. The currentsoftware version
(1.004.001) and details of the changes can be viewed by selecting the
What’s New
button on the home screen of DTII. This info is also on h-dnet under:
Service>\\;Tools &\\; Equipment Info>\\;DTII>\\;Version Updates-What’s New
. The new calibrationswill leave the ECM powered up for 10 seconds after key OFF to complete housekeeping,allowing the rider more opportunity to release the throttle grip, so the throttle control canreturn to true zero before the ECM power is shutdown. This should eliminate rider inducedzeroing issues. Additionally, the new calibrations will be less sensitive to voltage changes dueto an increased dead-band in the operating strategy. Under certain conditions and ridingstyles some customers may notice a slightly different throttle feel, or comment on reducedengine responsiveness. This is due to the increased dead-band and will feel similar to a loosethrottle cable adjustment on non-ETC vehicles.Therefore, we recommend only reflashing vehicles for customers experiencing the high idleconcern and wait for the next version calibrations before updating vehicles on a wider scale.SE Race Tuner and SE Super Tuner calibrations have not been updated at this time, andreflashing a stock cal over a Tuner cal may only temporarily alleviate the high idle, until youreflash back to a tuner cal.It is recommended anytime you replace ECM, TGS or Reflash the calibration to cycle the Ign.switch 4 times, waiting 10 full seconds after keying off between cycles, to relearn zero TGSposition.
The following warranty credit procedures will apply to domestic dealers only:
Warranty credit will be allowed for reflashing the calibration at the usual rate.For OE calibrations including CVO, file an MC claim using labor code 7804 for 0.2 hourslabor.For SWR’ed P&\\;A calibrations, file a PNA claim using labor code 8209 for 0.2 hours labor.Non-registered P&\\;A performance calibrations will require preauthorization for warranty credit.
NOTE: Labor code 8209 is a new code and may need to be downloaded into your system
Does this make sense?
#35
08-19-2008, 12:53 AM
I didnt either at 4,000 mile. Keep your fingers crossed when you get up around 8-10 g's. I have had nothing but trouble and the dealer cant fix it. When my idle sticks high, my throttle becomes non-responsive, twice its done it to me on the freeway. Hey, but I am getting real good at emergency riding from the middle lane on a dead bike in heavy traffic!!
#36
08-19-2008, 12:59 AM
This exactly true. On my 08' SG I ALWAYS use the kill switch, and I ALWAYS wait until the idle has returned to 1K RPM before I hit the switch to shut her down. Since I started this new shut down procedure I have not had any high idle issues at all.
Just so you know....I am also running a SE Super Tuner (or SE Pro Tuner as I have heard it called)
I think it would be a bit more accurate if you said the heat is still there, but the pipe has been rerouted to go under the frame, and then to the rear.
Just so you know....I am also running a SE Super Tuner (or SE Pro Tuner as I have heard it called)
I think it would be a bit more accurate if you said the heat is still there, but the pipe has been rerouted to go under the frame, and then to the rear.
I have always used the kill switch and have always waited long AFter it has returned to idle, and I have stuck idel and non-responsive throttle often. I have a pro-tuner running a simple canned map for se air cleaner and race exhaust.
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08-19-2008, 07:47 AM
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In that case I would highly suggest you find a competent dealer service department who can diagnose your problem correctly, and then fix it correctly. You can NEVER put all your eggs in one basket with using only one dealer, and relying on their word & work to be accurate. Always shop around for a good service dept. you can ask other bikers in your area, and then when you find a place keep asking questions of the customers that you see in the service area.....do this until you find a quality dealer service dept.....believe me they are out there!
#38
08-19-2008, 09:19 AM
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This issue is only at idle and you know it as soon as the bike starts. The fix is easy and takes less than a minute
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01-29-2009, 09:53 PM
