Touring Models Road King, Road King Custom, Road King Classic, Road Glide, Street Glide, Electra Glide, Electra Glide Classic, and Electra Glide Ultra Classic bikes.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

DYNO Numbers for Baggers???

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #2971  
Old 10-25-2011, 09:30 AM
Deuuuce's Avatar
Deuuuce
Deuuuce is offline
Elite HDF Member
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Roseville, CA
Posts: 3,766
Received 16 Likes on 13 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by TNT Custom Cycles
Factory 6-sp ratios are: 1st= 3.34, 2nd= 2.30, 3rd= 1.71, 4th= 1.41, 5th= 1.18, and 6th= 1.0
No overdrive.
The fallacy of that statement means that the bikes are now quicker with closer spaced ratios (false) and that the Harley only changed the final drive ratio to lower the 6th gear cruising rpm (also false). The modern 6-speed from Harley dropped the rpm in 6th gear vs. 5th. That means it's an overdrive.

And if the final drive is a 1:1 as it appears to be per Harley specs, that means 5th AND 6th are now OD gears.
 
  #2972  
Old 10-25-2011, 09:40 AM
grbrown's Avatar
grbrown
grbrown is offline
Club Member
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Bedford UK
Posts: 45,429
Received 2,866 Likes on 2,429 Posts
Wink

Originally Posted by Deuuuce
The fallacy of that statement means that the bikes are now quicker with closer spaced ratios (false) and that the Harley only changed the final drive ratio to lower the 6th gear cruising rpm (also false). The modern 6-speed from Harley dropped the rpm in 6th gear vs. 5th. That means it's an overdrive.

And if the final drive is a 1:1 as it appears to be per Harley specs, that means 5th AND 6th are now OD gears.
Sorry, but you are mixing things up. An overdrive is where the output from a trans turns slower than the input. The SE 6-speed, also Baker OD6 are over-drive trans, with a 6th ratio of around .86:1, and direct fifth, or 1:1.

Our bikes are, however, over-geared, that is they have very high overall gearing, especially in 5th and 6th. It has a similar affect to an over-drive, but is not the same thing.
 
  #2973  
Old 10-25-2011, 10:38 AM
Twigg's Avatar
Twigg
Twigg is offline
Cruiser
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Keyser, WV
Posts: 164
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by grbrown
Sorry, but you are mixing things up. An overdrive is where the output from a trans turns slower than the input. The SE 6-speed, also Baker OD6 are over-drive trans, with a 6th ratio of around .86:1, and direct fifth, or 1:1.

Our bikes are, however, over-geared, that is they have very high overall gearing, especially in 5th and 6th. It has a similar affect to an over-drive, but is not the same thing.
+1 You beat me to it but yes, I don't care what the final drive is if the trans output id the same as input(1 to1) its running direct drive not overdrive.
 
  #2974  
Old 10-25-2011, 10:46 AM
nsodpty52's Avatar
nsodpty52
nsodpty52 is offline
Tourer
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Nor Cal/Wine country
Posts: 409
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by harleytuner
Yeah, your numbers are OK, but how much did your tuner really try to get them better? He spent 14 minutes from your as received run to your final run and printed it in STD. So he changed your main jet 1 time. Do you have an adjustable ignition? Seams like you migh be able to get some more from it.
Well 2 things. It was was pretty well dialed walking through the door and the best results happened to be the first adjustment made. We did several pulls after making other adjustmens these were the best pulls. Just shows you how good my mechanic is at seat of the pants tuning.
 
  #2975  
Old 10-25-2011, 03:13 PM
harleytuner's Avatar
harleytuner
harleytuner is offline
Outstanding HDF Member
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Fredericksburg, Va.
Posts: 3,253
Received 218 Likes on 131 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by coolerman69
A 35hp shot of nitro would do wonders!

True dat!!
 
  #2976  
Old 10-25-2011, 03:16 PM
harleytuner's Avatar
harleytuner
harleytuner is offline
Outstanding HDF Member
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Fredericksburg, Va.
Posts: 3,253
Received 218 Likes on 131 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by nsodpty52
Well 2 things. It was was pretty well dialed walking through the door and the best results happened to be the first adjustment made. We did several pulls after making other adjustmens these were the best pulls. Just shows you how good my mechanic is at seat of the pants tuning.
I was considering that after I made my post. On a carbed bike I change jets untill power starts going backwards, then I back up to the previous jet, then I do the same with the timing. You lines look good, nice and smooth. congrats
 
  #2977  
Old 10-25-2011, 05:06 PM
mtclassic's Avatar
mtclassic
mtclassic is offline
Outstanding HDF Member
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 3,437
Likes: 0
Received 13 Likes on 6 Posts
Default

On a 6speed bike (say newer 10 or 11 bagger) how much difference is there going to be between a 4th and 5th gear run? ball park figure say on a bke that makes 90ft/lbs tq on a 4th gear run.
 
  #2978  
Old 10-25-2011, 08:56 PM
Deuuuce's Avatar
Deuuuce
Deuuuce is offline
Elite HDF Member
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Roseville, CA
Posts: 3,766
Received 16 Likes on 13 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by grbrown
Sorry, but you are mixing things up. An overdrive is where the output from a trans turns slower than the input. The SE 6-speed, also Baker OD6 are over-drive trans, with a 6th ratio of around .86:1, and direct fifth, or 1:1.

Our bikes are, however, over-geared, that is they have very high overall gearing, especially in 5th and 6th. It has a similar affect to an over-drive, but is not the same thing.
Originally Posted by TNT Custom Cycles
+1 You beat me to it but yes, I don't care what the final drive is if the trans output id the same as input(1 to1) its running direct drive not overdrive.
What is the final drive ratio? Anything higher than 2.875 means 6th IS an overdrive. Anything higher than 3.407 means 5th IS an overdrive. An overdrive is any gear ratio lower than 1:1.
 
  #2979  
Old 10-25-2011, 09:42 PM
KBES BAGGER's Avatar
KBES BAGGER
KBES BAGGER is offline
Road Master
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location:
Posts: 759
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Dyno sheet for my Road King.



The bike.

 
  #2980  
Old 10-26-2011, 12:34 AM
davewear's Avatar
davewear
davewear is offline
Road Warrior
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Vancouver BC
Posts: 1,730
Received 197 Likes on 135 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Deuuuce
What is the final drive ratio? Anything higher than 2.875 means 6th IS an overdrive. Anything higher than 3.407 means 5th IS an overdrive. An overdrive is any gear ratio lower than 1:1.
i think it's been explained pretty well but here's a simple version i found that may help you.....


"An overdrive gear is when the gear ratio is less than one. For example, 1st gear is usually like 4 to 1(4:1). meaning 4 turns in to equal 1 turn out. An overdrive gear would be like .5 to 1(.5:1) meaning half a turn in to equal 1 turn out.

So, if you have a 5-spd with gear ratio of 5:1(1st gear), 4:1(2nd gear), 3:1(3rd), 2:1(4th), 1:1(5th gear) it would not be consider an overdrive transmission because the final gear is 1:1
if you have a 5-spd with gear ratio of 5:1(1st gear), 4:1(2nd gear), 3:1(3rd), 2:1(4th), .85:1(5th gear) it would be consider an overdrive transmission because the final gear is .85:1, Overdrive"

this link helped me understand it as well http://www.motorcyclepartsandaccesso...ves/2010/07/07

anyway, google is your friend
 

Last edited by davewear; 10-26-2011 at 01:08 AM.


Quick Reply: DYNO Numbers for Baggers???



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:38 PM.