Dead3Times, No Nitrous. I see you are from Central, Va. come by and ride a Hemi.

 

Nope, no nitrous. I'd love to see what kind of power this bike would produce if it were on Nitrous.....

 

I dont mean to a be troll or anything.I just find it real hard to believe that those heads make that much of a difference.Dont get me wrong I know a good set of heads make a big difference,but 30 hp.more than the average 117. Maybe I'm wrong, I would have to see it to believe it though.Ride Safe

 

Don't know if you can read this. I shouldn't have foldered it.
Marsh
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I've finished weeks of research on the USPTO site at the advice of my lawyer to make sure we have something to move foward with before I pay to process the patent. It's a go it is being patented.

I would like to introduce to the forum my 2007 Road King Classic Pacific Blue with converted from stock true dual and custom pipes "HYBRID". The hidden contributor to those Dyno run result is “HYDROGEN".

 

Good lord...doesn't anyone remember their early schooling and hard lessons learned. In 1937 their was a tragedy involving HYDROGEN. I'm not sure....but I think it was called the Hindenburg.

So let me guess...your hidden contributor is replacing a portion of the 6 gal gas tank with a container of highly pressurized hydrogen. I don't know about others, but I'm certainly just a "little leery" of riding any bike where an accident could result in a mushroom cloud above the spot and a 10ft divot below the spot where I went down

 

No high pressure container. I should have been more specific about the "hidden contributor". It actually "Water", the only thing I am storing is 20 Oz of distilled water and 8 Oz. of distilled white vinegar. No Hydrogen is being stored, the lenght of time the hydrogen is store is the amount of time it will take it to disolved.

Your response clearly indicates the how mis-informed the general public is when it comes to addressing alternative fuel. In my personal inventory for motive of transportation, 2005 Z4, Hybrid, 2003 Town Car Hybrid, 2009 F-150 5.4 liter King Ranch Hybrid, 2005 Honda Accord Hybrid and close friends 2006 Scion tc hybrid, 2003 F-150 5.4 liter Hybrid, 2003 Turbo Jetta hybrid.

 

Good to hear but to be honest, I'm pretty informed on alternative fuels. Unfortunately too many of the inventors and developers keep details on their "new inventions" too close to their vests (generally because the results show it doesn't work). Your post stated Hydrogen/gas blend. There are many developers out there trying to promote/develop hydrogen as an alternative transportation fuel. Its a great idea in buses and trucks where a pressurized container of hydrogen can be more fully protected than in a car.

For individual transportation, its a horrible idea. Look at the BMW project. Small range, low performance, poor economy, heavy insulated/pressurized tank taking up trunk space, limited refueling locations, and the overwhelming danger of a pressurized vessel containing liquid Hydrogen for goodness sake. These guys pushing hydrogen as a direct source of fuel are out of their minds. The first time a mom and her kids riding in a "hydrogen" minivan goes "mushroom cloud" on the nightly news and the whole hydrogen-transportation industry dissolves overnight.

Now that you've clarified that you're talking about a small amount of water conversion to hydrogen using an even smaller amount of weak acid, you've eliminated the "explosion" factor, but what are you claiming that the "special sauce" actually did?

Doesn't appear to be performance as the dyno appeared somewhat normal. Are you suggesting the water/vinegar extended the range of a normal tank of gas? You need to share more details of your testing results than just an "after" dyno. What was the dyno performance when the water/vinegar was turned off while all other aspects of the bike remain unchanged? What's the range of the bike with and without the special sauce? Without these questions being answered I'm afraid this type of technology needs to be viewed with alot of skepticism.

 

The first Dyno run was stock aside from the air cleaner, the converted true dual and the high flow custom pipes. Second Dyno run was with the hydrogen fuel cell activated, as you can see how smooth the lines became and I can only express how the throttle response, (quick) I guess with the hydrogen being induced to internal combustion the "flame speed" is increase by 61% as per NASA report. The third run is with both the fuel cell online and an EFIE turned on to modify the signal coming from the O2 sensor to the ECU, this where having Thunder Max with Auto tune was a major advantage, in this case I've increase it to dump more fuel, but it still got 46 mpg at that setting. I've been playing with the voltage from the O2 and mpg have increase but barely feel a difference on the performance. Going to run it on a dyno next week with current setting getting 56mpg and see what kind of hp and tq it will put out.

These mpg are some hard riding 4-4.5K rpm in between gears when I can and have the room to accelerate. I know I am part of the community trying alternative fuel as new source of energy. All of the other experiments I mentioned earlier are great success to try it on a V-Twin and gain hp and tq without braking open the engine has always been my interest. Oh yes I have put together a turbo kit for this bike but I am weighing the cost and functionality. Turbo 4,500.00, hydrogen fuel cell 400.00 give or take a few $ for bolt and nuts here and there. The other thing I like about the result from inducing it to internal combustion, a drop in emission of .66% again as per NASA report.
I guess you can say I like going Green.

 

Experimentation is to be applauded as that's where the greatest breakthroughs come from. However I'm still unclear on your "green" objectives or if you've realized any "real" benefits. Is it to increase efficiency, increase performance, decrease pollutants or some combination? From your summary, I'm still quite unclear on the objective or what the recent data you shared suggests your "hybrid" system actually achieved.

Can you summarize simply with the findings of your data? Example: with stock fuel setup X mpg vs with Hybrid system X+ mpg. Same for the dyno comparisons. To date I have no clue if your data suggests there's any quantificable improvement at all. Is a smoother dyno chart the objective of your hybrid system? Not sure there's a big market for that kind of improvement.