synthetic oil
#21
05-26-2008, 01:28 AM
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05-26-2008, 08:42 AM
#25
05-26-2008, 09:14 PM
Ultimate HDF Member
RE: synthetic oil
ORIGINAL: drrandall1
they are all the same. Just change your oil every 5000
they are all the same. Just change your oil every 5000
I agree. These oil discussions are ridiculous. If you have a favorite brand, good for you, use it but don't try to act like it is so much better than other brands. That's ignorant.
I too have been using internal combustion engines for a very long time and I have used many different brands but never had an oil related engine problem. Proper, timely maintenance is the key, not brand of oil.
And, by the way, Venezuela is not a Communist country. It is one of the few countries in this Hemisphere that has an open popular election. May not like who they elect but that happens in this country too.
#26
05-26-2008, 10:29 PM
RE: synthetic oil
ORIGINAL: txfxstrider
I agree. These oil discussions are ridiculous. If you have a favorite brand, good for you, use it but don't try to act like it is so much better than other brands. That's ignorant.
I too have been using internal combustion engines for a very long time and I have used many different brands but never had an oil related engine problem. Proper, timely maintenance is the key, not brand of oil.
And, by the way, Venezuela is not a Communist country. It is one of the few countries in this Hemisphere that has an open popular election. May not like who they elect but that happens in this country too.
I agree. These oil discussions are ridiculous. If you have a favorite brand, good for you, use it but don't try to act like it is so much better than other brands. That's ignorant.
I too have been using internal combustion engines for a very long time and I have used many different brands but never had an oil related engine problem. Proper, timely maintenance is the key, not brand of oil.
And, by the way, Venezuela is not a Communist country. It is one of the few countries in this Hemisphere that has an open popular election. May not like who they elect but that happens in this country too.
I recently saw the tear-down of two 2000 FLH TC88's, both for big-bore and cam upgrades. One had 60k that had run Mobil 1 15w50 and the other 50k on Amsoil 20w50. There was no discernible wear from either engine from a visual inspection or micrometer measurement. The piston coating was even unscathed from both engines. The Mobil 1 cost about half that of the Amsoil, but both seemed to be doing the trick. I used Royal Purple in my old RK and after 106k miles the heads had never been removed, it used no more oil than when new and fully broken-in, and had 160/160 static compression on the last test conducted in 2006. It was 155/160 in 1998 when the first test was done.
As you said, Chavez is an elected leader of a sovereign nation, and like some other leaders I can think of he often lies, spreads innuendo, bloviates, promotes conflict, and postures to please his electoral base. If we boycott products based solely on this we may not buy anything, even from the most familiar of origins.
#27
05-26-2008, 10:38 PM
RE: synthetic oil
txfxstrider- You state: "I agree. These oil discussions are ridiculous. If you have a favorite brand, good for you, use it but don't try to act like it is so much better than other brands. That's ignorant. "
NOT TRUE.....Oils do break down at different rates. My father is a dealer of a product called PETRON. It is a product that you add to oil (like SLICK 50)...but it treats METAL...not OIL. We used to demonstrate this at car shows and the like. We would use any and all brands of oil, whatever the customer wanted to see. We had a machine that used a spinning race that was in an oil bath (which ever oil the person wanted to see) and then would use a torque wrench type of lever with a round roller bearing locking agianst the rolling race to simulate metal to metal wear. Whether you want to believe it or not....AMSOIL IS FAR SUPERIOR to ANY OIL out there when it comes to the pressure it takes it to break down. Most oils were breaking down in the 25-35 LB/FT range. Amsoil was always outperforming them breaking down in the 50-55 LB range.....and it always left a MUCH SMALLER SCAR on the bearing than any of the other oils.
This isn't one mans OPINION OR FAVORITE....this was REAL WORLD TESTING. You can use any brand you want. Yes, changing oils at proper intervals is important...but I can also tell you from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE....we use AMSOIL in all our personal vehicles and our company vehicles (about 12 vehicles). We only change a filter every 3-5K and change the OIL at 25,000. Never had a problem with any of the vehicles due to oil. REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE...not OPINION!
NOT TRUE.....Oils do break down at different rates. My father is a dealer of a product called PETRON. It is a product that you add to oil (like SLICK 50)...but it treats METAL...not OIL. We used to demonstrate this at car shows and the like. We would use any and all brands of oil, whatever the customer wanted to see. We had a machine that used a spinning race that was in an oil bath (which ever oil the person wanted to see) and then would use a torque wrench type of lever with a round roller bearing locking agianst the rolling race to simulate metal to metal wear. Whether you want to believe it or not....AMSOIL IS FAR SUPERIOR to ANY OIL out there when it comes to the pressure it takes it to break down. Most oils were breaking down in the 25-35 LB/FT range. Amsoil was always outperforming them breaking down in the 50-55 LB range.....and it always left a MUCH SMALLER SCAR on the bearing than any of the other oils.
This isn't one mans OPINION OR FAVORITE....this was REAL WORLD TESTING. You can use any brand you want. Yes, changing oils at proper intervals is important...but I can also tell you from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE....we use AMSOIL in all our personal vehicles and our company vehicles (about 12 vehicles). We only change a filter every 3-5K and change the OIL at 25,000. Never had a problem with any of the vehicles due to oil. REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE...not OPINION!
#28
05-26-2008, 10:47 PM
RE: synthetic oil
ORIGINAL: jefftrammel
txfxstrider- You state: "I agree. These oil discussions are ridiculous. If you have a favorite brand, good for you, use it but don't try to act like it is so much better than other brands. That's ignorant. "
NOT TRUE.....Oils do break down at different rates. My father is a dealer of a product called PETRON. It is a product that you add to oil (like SLICK 50)...but it treats METAL...not OIL. We used to demonstrate this at car shows and the like. We would use any and all brands of oil, whatever the customer wanted to see. We had a machine that used a spinning race that was in an oil bath (which ever oil the person wanted to see) and then would use a torque wrench type of lever with a round roller bearing locking agianst the rolling race to simulate metal to metal wear. Whether you want to believe it or not....AMSOIL IS FAR SUPERIOR to ANY OIL out there when it comes to the pressure it takes it to break down. Most oils were breaking down in the 25-35 LB/FT range. Amsoil was always outperforming them breaking down in the 50-55 LB range.....and it always left a MUCH SMALLER SCAR on the bearing than any of the other oils.
This isn't one mans OPINION OR FAVORITE....this was REAL WORLD TESTING. You can use any brand you want. Yes, changing oils at proper intervals is important...but I can also tell you from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE....we use AMSOIL in all our personal vehicles and our company vehicles (about 12 vehicles). We only change a filter every 3-5K and change the OIL at 25,000. Never had a problem with any of the vehicles due to oil. REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE...not OPINION!
txfxstrider- You state: "I agree. These oil discussions are ridiculous. If you have a favorite brand, good for you, use it but don't try to act like it is so much better than other brands. That's ignorant. "
NOT TRUE.....Oils do break down at different rates. My father is a dealer of a product called PETRON. It is a product that you add to oil (like SLICK 50)...but it treats METAL...not OIL. We used to demonstrate this at car shows and the like. We would use any and all brands of oil, whatever the customer wanted to see. We had a machine that used a spinning race that was in an oil bath (which ever oil the person wanted to see) and then would use a torque wrench type of lever with a round roller bearing locking agianst the rolling race to simulate metal to metal wear. Whether you want to believe it or not....AMSOIL IS FAR SUPERIOR to ANY OIL out there when it comes to the pressure it takes it to break down. Most oils were breaking down in the 25-35 LB/FT range. Amsoil was always outperforming them breaking down in the 50-55 LB range.....and it always left a MUCH SMALLER SCAR on the bearing than any of the other oils.
This isn't one mans OPINION OR FAVORITE....this was REAL WORLD TESTING. You can use any brand you want. Yes, changing oils at proper intervals is important...but I can also tell you from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE....we use AMSOIL in all our personal vehicles and our company vehicles (about 12 vehicles). We only change a filter every 3-5K and change the OIL at 25,000. Never had a problem with any of the vehicles due to oil. REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE...not OPINION!
#29
05-26-2008, 10:52 PM
Ultimate HDF Member
RE: synthetic oil
My "REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE" running internal combustion engines, not performing sales demonstrations, has proven to me that every major brand of oil that I have used for over fifty years has done it's job and protected the engines from other than normal wear or over heating. If Amsoil is better at something than another synthetic oil so be it, but is that necessary. I'm just saying that there is no need to worry oneself to death over which brand of oil to use because all the major brands are good.
I also think 'REAL WORLD TESTING" and "REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE" happen on the road, in this matter, and not at a demo or in the lab. At least in my world and my life.
I also think 'REAL WORLD TESTING" and "REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE" happen on the road, in this matter, and not at a demo or in the lab. At least in my world and my life.
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05-26-2008, 10:54 PM
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