Engine crash bar as oil cooler?
#71
I am looking at a 2008 SG that has the crash bar as an oil cooler. Yes I see it as a good idea, and in my opinion, it obviously would do the job of cooling the oil. But, as stated by others, that is a lot of oil to be pumped through that tube by the oil pump. I'm not sure how the new engines oil system flows, but I am a little concerned at what happens when the bike is shut off. The crash bar sits higher than the oil pan, so undoubtedly the oil will want to drain back down into the engine. But does it?? Wouldn't that empty part of the tube now hold an air pocket? From what I can see on this particular bike, there is no thermostat or check valve to keep the oil from "running back" into the engine. Just a couple of fittings tapped into the crash bar and the oil lines run to them. I'm not sure anyone can answer what goes on inside that bar after shut down, other than a notice of more oil on the dipstick after it sits for awhile. I'm not sure if an oil cooler has internal "check valves" or not to keep the oil from draining back out on the inlet side. I don't know.... its not a deal breaker since all I have to do is put the lines back where they originally go, but my concern is any oil starvation at start up somewhere. Even a small amount will eventually rear it's ugly head at some point. I'd like to hear some more opinions though......
#72
Hi and welcome to HDF from the UK.
I have run oil cooled bikes and the cooler stays full of oil when the engine is shut off. So the crashbar should also be full of oil. Sending oil round the crashbar doesn't seem to me any different to sending it up to the valve gear. Also recent bikes such as your 08 have superior pumps to earlier generations of Harleys. The valves that will stop any oil draining back into your engine from the crashbar are part of the oil system already in the engine.
So unless someone calls by and knows otherwise, you should have no problems with that SG. You could ask the seller how it works and what you do with it if you buy the bike?
I have run oil cooled bikes and the cooler stays full of oil when the engine is shut off. So the crashbar should also be full of oil. Sending oil round the crashbar doesn't seem to me any different to sending it up to the valve gear. Also recent bikes such as your 08 have superior pumps to earlier generations of Harleys. The valves that will stop any oil draining back into your engine from the crashbar are part of the oil system already in the engine.
So unless someone calls by and knows otherwise, you should have no problems with that SG. You could ask the seller how it works and what you do with it if you buy the bike?
#75
#77
I heard about this several years ago and have had it in the back of my mind since... The additional oil and the surface area of the crash bar would certainly help. Ive bent a few crash bars in my day but I dont remember any ever cracking. I think Im going to give it a try. anyone have a parts list?
#78
I got my oil filter adapter from jagg http://www.jagg.com/jagg/pages/filter-adapters.htm
The rest of the stuff like threaded barbed ends, hose and hose clamps I just picked up at the hardware store.
I waited till I was ready to change my oil. Then I drilled it up, flushed it out. Installed the barbed ends and oil filter adater. Connected the hoses. Topped off the oil and let it finish flushing out the crash bar for a few mile ride. Drained all the oil out, changed the filter and filled it all up. I am very happy with this mod.
The rest of the stuff like threaded barbed ends, hose and hose clamps I just picked up at the hardware store.
I waited till I was ready to change my oil. Then I drilled it up, flushed it out. Installed the barbed ends and oil filter adater. Connected the hoses. Topped off the oil and let it finish flushing out the crash bar for a few mile ride. Drained all the oil out, changed the filter and filled it all up. I am very happy with this mod.
#79
I got my oil filter adapter from jagg http://www.jagg.com/jagg/pages/filter-adapters.htm
The rest of the stuff like threaded barbed ends, hose and hose clamps I just picked up at the hardware store.
I waited till I was ready to change my oil. Then I drilled it up, flushed it out. Installed the barbed ends and oil filter adater. Connected the hoses. Topped off the oil and let it finish flushing out the crash bar for a few mile ride. Drained all the oil out, changed the filter and filled it all up. I am very happy with this mod.
The rest of the stuff like threaded barbed ends, hose and hose clamps I just picked up at the hardware store.
I waited till I was ready to change my oil. Then I drilled it up, flushed it out. Installed the barbed ends and oil filter adater. Connected the hoses. Topped off the oil and let it finish flushing out the crash bar for a few mile ride. Drained all the oil out, changed the filter and filled it all up. I am very happy with this mod.
#80
I work in a power plant and a lot of my business is heat exchange. Im kinda skeptical as to how much heat exchange your going to get. More oil does not mean a big difference in temp if it moves thru the pipe too fast to get much exchange. I also think you might be suprised by the square inch value of the motors cooling fins. The fact is the bike probably doesnt need it if you are moving and if your not moving a cooler with a fan would be way more efficient. It sounds kinda cool but I dont need any more hot pipes. To those who have tried it and liked it I cant argue with you but I wouldnt do it without temp guages and real time data.