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Old 01-19-2008 | 10:23 PM
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I can add that your bike will only run so well with a canned map. That's why I finally decided to remove the PCIII and go with a SERT tune a Latus in Portland.

The canned map I'm running is not an advanced map. I suspect that the rear cylinder is not running well especially when it gets hot (read too hot). If I install an advanced canned map how do I know it's right. By the sedat of my pants???

I finally realized that trying to avoid paying for a dyno tune is just like gambling. Anyone else agree . . . of am I full of S**t??

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No you really do not need a dyno for getting your setup "dialed" in. If you are looking for every hp you can muster then yes, you will need a dyno. However, if you are looking for a powerful,yet reliable ride you do not need a dyno. However you need to hook up your laptop to SERT and record info for a 20-25min ride. Take that info and see if you are hitting the knock sensor anywhere. If you are adjust timing accodingly.

In leiu of pay hundreds of dollars everytime you do an upgrade or to "dial" in the combo why not spend the money upfront andbuy a Daytona Twin Tec II+ with wego sensors. It captues all the info up to 45 min and you can see where your AFRs are while riding. It even helps with importing suggested SERT calibrations into the program

My suggestrion is to lay out a course so you can ensure that you will be close in matchin like conditions. A lot easier on the wallet in
the long run, more fun by being on the bike more, and less wear and tear from a lot of dyno runs.

here is a link to read up more about the system, plus there is a d/l for instructions and you can judge for yourself.

www.daytona-sensors.com/Twin_Scan2.html
 
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Old 01-19-2008 | 11:48 PM
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'08 SG RHTD's SERT SEAC. Dealer installed a canned map (Oct '07) so I don't know what kind of selection was available at that time, not too many I'd guess. Anyway, picked the bike up in NY, rode it down to Fl and it ran good, a bit of popping on decel when hot but other than that, all good. I wanted to get it dyno tuned and brought it to an indy around Tampa, couldn't get it done that day due to their schedule, had them do a couple of 'base' runs so I could at least see where I was at. Results were 76hp 88tq, AFR 14.5@2000rpm fattening up to 12.9@6200rpm. Slight dip in tq 2100 thru 2600 (approx) other than that it all looked pretty good. On the tuners advice, (for the time and price of the tune he didn't think results would justify the cost) since I'll be going with a 103 pkg soon, decided to wait. Like I say, I don't know what map I have but I guess it's close enough....
 
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Old 01-20-2008 | 08:32 AM
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'08 SG RHTD's SERT SEAC. Dealer installed a canned map (Oct '07) so I don't know what kind of selection was available at that time, not too many I'd guess. Anyway, picked the bike up in NY, rode it down to Fl and it ran good, a bit of popping on decel when hot but other than that, all good. I wanted to get it dyno tuned and brought it to an indy around Tampa, couldn't get it done that day due to their schedule, had them do a couple of 'base' runs so I could at least see where I was at. Results were 76hp 88tq, AFR 14.5@2000rpm fattening up to 12.9@6200rpm. Slight dip in tq 2100 thru 2600 (approx) other than that it all looked pretty good. On the tuners advice, (for the time and price of the tune he didn't think results would justify the cost) since I'll be going with a 103 pkg soon, decided to wait. Like I say, I don't know what map I have but I guess it's close enough....
I guess that's just my typical luck. Sounds like your guy new what he was doing. Obviously mine didn't. I betyours had previously tuned a bike with the same setup and used the same map on yours. I must have just gotten a rookie.

Glad you got a guy that got it right.

That's pretty much my whole point in this. Make sure the guy tuning your bike knows what he's doing. Get referrals and ask questions. Imade the poor assumption that the dealer would know whatthey were doing. Switching from the 88on my old bike I had no idea how the 96's wouldrun or sound. Took me a few thousand miles to figure outthey didn't have it right.

I am hoping I can help someone else from making the same mistake. Maybe I should have added this to the "Don't ask me how I know" thread.
 
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Old 01-20-2008 | 09:02 AM
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Just curious. how was he 'looking at the map'? It's my understanding that the SERT won't pull the map back out of the ECM.

Glad the bike is running well.

The sert won't read the map but it will give you the maps name thats loaded.
which may have matched a canned map name off the CD
 
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Old 01-20-2008 | 09:12 AM
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EdwardK,
That is why I spend the $300.00 to go to one of the top dyno tuners, Custom Performance of Arizona, Nick Trask. They spent over 3 hours on my bike and WHAT A DIFFERENCE! Money well spent.

 
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Old 01-20-2008 | 09:35 AM
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Hey Dannl Where is Custom performance of AZ? I looked on line and can,t find them
 
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Old 01-20-2008 | 10:08 AM
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You are lucky that you have more than one dyno around you, here it Boise there is only one.
You've got to go a long way to find another one around here.
Another factor in a dyno tune is how much time on the dynodid you buy if you didn't buy at least 4 hrs you're not going to get good results.
 
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Old 01-20-2008 | 07:37 PM
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Custom performance is kind of cross the street from Deer Valley airport, on a side street. On the North side of town.

They do good work there, I'll second the great Dyno tune. $300 for a tune, but if you need to come back for any adjustments it's covered by the original fee you paid, no additional charge.
 
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Old 01-20-2008 | 07:49 PM
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Exactly why I went with a TVII. No dyno required.
 
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Old 01-20-2008 | 08:20 PM
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Me Too Moondog,

 


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