Lithium Battery/Starter in Touring Bike
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Lithium Polymer (LiPo) fires are class D fires. Molten metal. You can't smother or extinguish them with water. A Class D dry powder extinguisher is needed to put out a LiPo fire, and most extinguishers are only rated at Class A B C.
Even if ICE vehicles were more likely to catch fire, BEV cannot be put out once it catches. They are exponentially more dangerous. Personally, I don't see the advantage at this time, putting that battery in my bike and risking my shop.
Even if ICE vehicles were more likely to catch fire, BEV cannot be put out once it catches. They are exponentially more dangerous. Personally, I don't see the advantage at this time, putting that battery in my bike and risking my shop.
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EV 25 per,100k, gas 1530 per 100k, and hybrid 3475.
Not sure why hybrids higher.
Statistically speaking low, unless it is your car. There might be truth about how hard it is to put out battery fires. But car fires don't normally go well.
For me they are not worth price in a heavy vehicle. But I don't have a big motor. Again I am curious how long they last on heat. Which is hard on batteries
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"The 2024 Street Glide is 18 pounds lighter than the 2023 Street Glide Special, enhancing all aspects of riding performance, including acceleration and braking."
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I've had the same debate in my head regarding AGM vs Lithium Iron Phosphate (LiFePO4) batteries and I don't claim to be knowledgeable on the subject. One thought came to me recently. Harley brags about doing many different things to lower the 2024 Road Glide by16# and the Street Glide by 18#. Why wouldn't they go to a Lithium battery and with one easy, cost-effective change double that weight loss? There must be a reason.
"The 2024 Street Glide is 18 pounds lighter than the 2023 Street Glide Special, enhancing all aspects of riding performance, including acceleration and braking."
"The 2024 Street Glide is 18 pounds lighter than the 2023 Street Glide Special, enhancing all aspects of riding performance, including acceleration and braking."
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I can pull up a ton of videos of ICE vehicles catching fire. Per vehicle, the chance of an ICE vehicle catching fire is 3 times higher than a BEV.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsHJlBHONvw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsHJlBHONvw
However, we are talking lithium batteries here and I only brought up the fire issue because of another' member post on his garage fire.
There have been garage fires because of gasoline and even battery tenders shorting out and catching flammable items on fire.
It is always prudent to make sure you garage and any item using fuel, batteries and chargers are in an orderly fashion and not a lot of trash clutter around.
Now back to the discussion on lithium batteries, their use, weight, function while in cold environments and endurance in heat environments.
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I've had the same debate in my head regarding AGM vs Lithium Iron Phosphate (LiFePO4) batteries and I don't claim to be knowledgeable on the subject. One thought came to me recently. Harley brags about doing many different things to lower the 2024 Road Glide by16# and the Street Glide by 18#. Why wouldn't they go to a Lithium battery and with one easy, cost-effective change double that weight loss? There must be a reason.
"The 2024 Street Glide is 18 pounds lighter than the 2023 Street Glide Special, enhancing all aspects of riding performance, including acceleration and braking."
"The 2024 Street Glide is 18 pounds lighter than the 2023 Street Glide Special, enhancing all aspects of riding performance, including acceleration and braking."
The weight they tout may be simple design change,and may not have been goal of design change.
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I've had the same debate in my head regarding AGM vs Lithium Iron Phosphate (LiFePO4) batteries and I don't claim to be knowledgeable on the subject. One thought came to me recently. Harley brags about doing many different things to lower the 2024 Road Glide by16# and the Street Glide by 18#. Why wouldn't they go to a Lithium battery and with one easy, cost-effective change double that weight loss? There must be a reason.
"The 2024 Street Glide is 18 pounds lighter than the 2023 Street Glide Special, enhancing all aspects of riding performance, including acceleration and braking."
"The 2024 Street Glide is 18 pounds lighter than the 2023 Street Glide Special, enhancing all aspects of riding performance, including acceleration and braking."
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Yes ICE vehicles catch fire, and as stated there are more of them. How many ICE vehicles catch fire from a battery short verses fuel leak? Many variables if you want to what if it.
However, we are talking lithium batteries here and I only brought up the fire issue because of another' member post on his garage fire.
There have been garage fires because of gasoline and even battery tenders shorting out and catching flammable items on fire.
It is always prudent to make sure you garage and any item using fuel, batteries and chargers are in an orderly fashion and not a lot of trash clutter around.
Now back to the discussion on lithium batteries, their use, weight, function while in cold environments and endurance in heat environments.
However, we are talking lithium batteries here and I only brought up the fire issue because of another' member post on his garage fire.
There have been garage fires because of gasoline and even battery tenders shorting out and catching flammable items on fire.
It is always prudent to make sure you garage and any item using fuel, batteries and chargers are in an orderly fashion and not a lot of trash clutter around.
Now back to the discussion on lithium batteries, their use, weight, function while in cold environments and endurance in heat environments.
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