Installing Ride Str8
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I didn't notice any on my bike and if there was an increase it was small enough that I couldn't feel it. I have heard a few mention that they felt an increase, but most of these were with the Alloy Art stabilizer which has a rather complicated set-up with three Heim joints, and looking at its design I'm not surprised that it increases vibration a bit.
The RideStr8-type design will restrict only lateral movement, so it would make sense that in corners where there is pressure on the rod that you would feel more vibration than normal, but I haven't noticed it there or any other time.
Since this thread started in July 2007 it would be worth noting that '09 and later bikes with their improved frame design don't need these stabilizers, and they may not even be available for them.
The RideStr8-type design will restrict only lateral movement, so it would make sense that in corners where there is pressure on the rod that you would feel more vibration than normal, but I haven't noticed it there or any other time.
Since this thread started in July 2007 it would be worth noting that '09 and later bikes with their improved frame design don't need these stabilizers, and they may not even be available for them.
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WTF, over.
I thought we got over all this a long time ago. With all the products available, the bottom line is that they address a design deficiency that Harley corrected with the '09 frame. Once again the aftermarket forced HD to change their product. So, for those of us who choose to refine rather than replace our rides, we can pick from several products that do the same thing.
"Are you on the rag today, Ragdoctor?" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I thought we got over all this a long time ago. With all the products available, the bottom line is that they address a design deficiency that Harley corrected with the '09 frame. Once again the aftermarket forced HD to change their product. So, for those of us who choose to refine rather than replace our rides, we can pick from several products that do the same thing.
"Are you on the rag today, Ragdoctor?" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
#26
Hello Iclick,
This is True-Track and we have just read this thread and have some comments. As always bikers know everything and nothing.
#1 - Harley in 2009 has changed their frames and made a 4 point isolator mounting system, a heavier swingarm, a bigger tire, and guess what - Harley still has the lateral movement in the swingarm under load conditions.
# 2 - Harley also has but one anchor on the top side of the engine.
The reason we know this - we do R & D on these bikes to develope our products. We do have a True-Track for the 2009-2010 models FYI and for all the forum riders reading this. Yes we purchase a new model every year to stay ahead of all the imitators out there as we are not only the leaders, but the innovators in swing arm pivot anchor suspension stabilization. Hats off to Eric Buell as well. Though you have given your best opinion it would behoove all to have all the facts. Past thread writers you mention indicate that True-Track has a drag problem on right hand turns. There have been 9 revisions since the product was first brought to the market including a revision to adjust for the aggressive riders. They could only get aggressive enough after the TT stabilizer was installed and the rear steer was removed - we take this as a compliment.
In late 2007 we introduced the Low Ryder model designed for the Harley factory lowered models which provides a no lean angle loss and stability that no other unit can duplicate.
By the way, do the imitators especially those that are cheaper in price, provide a lifetime warranty to the original purchaser - do they stand behind their product as True-Track does?
This is True-Track and we have just read this thread and have some comments. As always bikers know everything and nothing.
#1 - Harley in 2009 has changed their frames and made a 4 point isolator mounting system, a heavier swingarm, a bigger tire, and guess what - Harley still has the lateral movement in the swingarm under load conditions.
# 2 - Harley also has but one anchor on the top side of the engine.
The reason we know this - we do R & D on these bikes to develope our products. We do have a True-Track for the 2009-2010 models FYI and for all the forum riders reading this. Yes we purchase a new model every year to stay ahead of all the imitators out there as we are not only the leaders, but the innovators in swing arm pivot anchor suspension stabilization. Hats off to Eric Buell as well. Though you have given your best opinion it would behoove all to have all the facts. Past thread writers you mention indicate that True-Track has a drag problem on right hand turns. There have been 9 revisions since the product was first brought to the market including a revision to adjust for the aggressive riders. They could only get aggressive enough after the TT stabilizer was installed and the rear steer was removed - we take this as a compliment.
In late 2007 we introduced the Low Ryder model designed for the Harley factory lowered models which provides a no lean angle loss and stability that no other unit can duplicate.
By the way, do the imitators especially those that are cheaper in price, provide a lifetime warranty to the original purchaser - do they stand behind their product as True-Track does?
#27
Hello Iclick,
This is True-Track and we have just read this thread and have some comments. As always bikers know everything and nothing.
#1 - Harley in 2009 has changed their frames and made a 4 point isolator mounting system, a heavier swingarm, a bigger tire, and guess what - Harley still has the lateral movement in the swingarm under load conditions.
# 2 - Harley also has but one anchor on the top side of the engine.
The reason we know this - we do R & D on these bikes to develope our products. We do have a True-Track for the 2009-2010 models FYI and for all the forum riders reading this. Yes we purchase a new model every year to stay ahead of all the imitators out there as we are not only the leaders, but the innovators in swing arm pivot anchor suspension stabilization. Hats off to Eric Buell as well. Though you have given your best opinion it would behoove all to have all the facts. Past thread writers you mention indicate that True-Track has a drag problem on right hand turns. There have been 9 revisions since the product was first brought to the market including a revision to adjust for the aggressive riders. They could only get aggressive enough after the TT stabilizer was installed and the rear steer was removed - we take this as a compliment.
In late 2007 we introduced the Low Ryder model designed for the Harley factory lowered models which provides a no lean angle loss and stability that no other unit can duplicate.
By the way, do the imitators especially those that are cheaper in price, provide a lifetime warranty to the original purchaser - do they stand behind their product as True-Track does?
This is True-Track and we have just read this thread and have some comments. As always bikers know everything and nothing.
#1 - Harley in 2009 has changed their frames and made a 4 point isolator mounting system, a heavier swingarm, a bigger tire, and guess what - Harley still has the lateral movement in the swingarm under load conditions.
# 2 - Harley also has but one anchor on the top side of the engine.
The reason we know this - we do R & D on these bikes to develope our products. We do have a True-Track for the 2009-2010 models FYI and for all the forum riders reading this. Yes we purchase a new model every year to stay ahead of all the imitators out there as we are not only the leaders, but the innovators in swing arm pivot anchor suspension stabilization. Hats off to Eric Buell as well. Though you have given your best opinion it would behoove all to have all the facts. Past thread writers you mention indicate that True-Track has a drag problem on right hand turns. There have been 9 revisions since the product was first brought to the market including a revision to adjust for the aggressive riders. They could only get aggressive enough after the TT stabilizer was installed and the rear steer was removed - we take this as a compliment.
In late 2007 we introduced the Low Ryder model designed for the Harley factory lowered models which provides a no lean angle loss and stability that no other unit can duplicate.
By the way, do the imitators especially those that are cheaper in price, provide a lifetime warranty to the original purchaser - do they stand behind their product as True-Track does?
#28
Iclick,
No I do not sell True-Track but I did know the inventor for over 20 years and thus know alot about the various models designed and tested before the final product made it to the market. This is a direct quote from Wil Philips the inventor of True-Track who passed away in 2007:
"Ride-Str8 touted to be designed by an engineer is doubtful. Engineering 101 never weld to a casting! The chasis attachment point is 4 1/2 long to the point where it is welded to the cast passenger foot mount. The power train bracket is attached with 3 bolts at the rear, not enough surface area. The attachment point is too far from the pivot point. The attachment point cannot stop the transmission from twisting when cresting a hill and landing. This causes the swing arm pivot boss to crack. The True-Track is attached with 5 bolts and is boxed which acts as a girdle to reinforce the pan rail and prevent twisting so the trans will not crack. The True-Track stabilizer links are stainless steel, vibration isolated with Nitril and USA made. Ride Str8 are a solid type that are made in China, the cheapest you can buy. In fact they can be bought at Orchard Hardware Supply (a Sears Co.). An O-ring is used for vibration elimination under the link - WRONG. Material is architectural aluminum, no radius in corners. This is but a few differences."
Has this shed some light?
Of course riders can choose any stabilizer they wish, with over 20 imitators on the market to choose from, but mis-information can cause more harm than good and result in costly expenses down the road.
Wil Phillips also coined the phrase - True-Track, cheaper than a funeral!
No I do not sell True-Track but I did know the inventor for over 20 years and thus know alot about the various models designed and tested before the final product made it to the market. This is a direct quote from Wil Philips the inventor of True-Track who passed away in 2007:
"Ride-Str8 touted to be designed by an engineer is doubtful. Engineering 101 never weld to a casting! The chasis attachment point is 4 1/2 long to the point where it is welded to the cast passenger foot mount. The power train bracket is attached with 3 bolts at the rear, not enough surface area. The attachment point is too far from the pivot point. The attachment point cannot stop the transmission from twisting when cresting a hill and landing. This causes the swing arm pivot boss to crack. The True-Track is attached with 5 bolts and is boxed which acts as a girdle to reinforce the pan rail and prevent twisting so the trans will not crack. The True-Track stabilizer links are stainless steel, vibration isolated with Nitril and USA made. Ride Str8 are a solid type that are made in China, the cheapest you can buy. In fact they can be bought at Orchard Hardware Supply (a Sears Co.). An O-ring is used for vibration elimination under the link - WRONG. Material is architectural aluminum, no radius in corners. This is but a few differences."
Has this shed some light?
Of course riders can choose any stabilizer they wish, with over 20 imitators on the market to choose from, but mis-information can cause more harm than good and result in costly expenses down the road.
Wil Phillips also coined the phrase - True-Track, cheaper than a funeral!
Last edited by RAGDOCTOR; 03-30-2010 at 06:59 PM.
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Dear True-Track:
I'm not sure what material contained in this thread would support your "know everything and nothing" comment. In my latest reply I did state that for '09 and later FLH bikes stabilizers "may not even be available for them." That was a correct statement in that I didn't know you made one for these bikes. I also said that they didn't need a stabilizer and I'll stand by that statement as an opinion, and I can say that I've never heard of anyone who's installed or feels the need to install a stabilizer on a late-model bike. That said, if someone does I would like to see a write-up here on the result. Also, if you can show any evidence these later-model bikes can benefit from your products please enlighten us on how.
The "low-rider" version of TT hasn't been mentioned anywhere on this forum or any other forum that I read that I'm aware of, and when I purchased my RideStr8 you didn't have that model available. Reports of clearance problems with the TT at the time are easy to document if you care to use the search engine for this forum, and that was one reason I chose another product.
You state that TT provides "stability that no other unit can duplicate," but where is your evidence for this claim? If you can't quantify the statement with tangible evidence would you try to qualify it by giving us an explanation why your design works better than the others? We'd all benefit from that input, I'm sure.
As for the benefit of a lifetime warranty, that's a nice feature but I don't know how that would be a major factor since no parts from the stabilizers I'm aware of would likely wear out over the long-term. If a heim-joint needs replacing the cost would be minimal, but nothing else should require service or repair.
I'm not sure what material contained in this thread would support your "know everything and nothing" comment. In my latest reply I did state that for '09 and later FLH bikes stabilizers "may not even be available for them." That was a correct statement in that I didn't know you made one for these bikes. I also said that they didn't need a stabilizer and I'll stand by that statement as an opinion, and I can say that I've never heard of anyone who's installed or feels the need to install a stabilizer on a late-model bike. That said, if someone does I would like to see a write-up here on the result. Also, if you can show any evidence these later-model bikes can benefit from your products please enlighten us on how.
The "low-rider" version of TT hasn't been mentioned anywhere on this forum or any other forum that I read that I'm aware of, and when I purchased my RideStr8 you didn't have that model available. Reports of clearance problems with the TT at the time are easy to document if you care to use the search engine for this forum, and that was one reason I chose another product.
You state that TT provides "stability that no other unit can duplicate," but where is your evidence for this claim? If you can't quantify the statement with tangible evidence would you try to qualify it by giving us an explanation why your design works better than the others? We'd all benefit from that input, I'm sure.
As for the benefit of a lifetime warranty, that's a nice feature but I don't know how that would be a major factor since no parts from the stabilizers I'm aware of would likely wear out over the long-term. If a heim-joint needs replacing the cost would be minimal, but nothing else should require service or repair.
#30
The chasis attachment point is 4 1/2 long to the point where it is welded to the cast passenger foot mount.
The power train bracket is attached with 3 bolts at the rear, not enough surface area. The attachment point is too far from the pivot point. The attachment point cannot stop the transmission from twisting when cresting a hill and landing.
What do you mean by "The attachment point is too far from the pivot point"? Here's a shot of the RideStr8 and TT for everyone to see, so perhaps someone will see something I'm missing and point it out.
This causes the swing arm pivot boss to crack.
The True-Track is attached with 5 bolts and is boxed which acts as a girdle to reinforce the pan rail and prevent twisting so the trans will not crack.
The True-Track stabilizer links are stainless steel, vibration isolated with Nitril and USA made. Ride Str8 are a solid type that are made in China, the cheapest you can buy.
Has this shed some light?
Of course riders can choose any stabilizer they wish, with over 20 imitators on the market to choose from, but mis-information can cause more harm than good and result in costly expenses down the road.
Last edited by iclick; 03-31-2010 at 03:59 PM.