Has anyone tried this with PT Bold. Cardo PT Bold has three channels: the DMC channel, BT1 and BT2. The two BT channels have priorities (default), PackTalk recommends pairing BT1 (highest priority) with your phone so when you get a call it overrides DMC and BT2 (music). This is how my current setup works between me, my passenger, my phone and my audio system on my BMW. Audio system plays on BT2 and we chat on DMC simultaneously. If I get a call on BT1, DMS and BT2 are shut down.
Could it be possible that people are pairing their PT Bold BT1 channel with the WHIM, thus, canceling DMC because it has the higher "phone" priority? What if BT2 is paired with WHIM? Then DMC would theoretically have the highest priority, you would be able to talk and listen to music from the Boom.
Thought I'd ask since I've been pouring over my Cardo manual trying to decide if I want to go WHIM or Freewire.
Has anyone tried this with PT Bold. Cardo PT Bold has three channels: the DMC channel, BT1 and BT2. The two BT channels have priorities (default), PackTalk recommends pairing BT1 (highest priority) with your phone so when you get a call it overrides DMC and BT2 (music). This is how my current setup works between me, my passenger, my phone and my audio system on my BMW. Audio system plays on BT2 and we chat on DMC simultaneously. If I get a call on BT1, DMS and BT2 are shut down.
Could it be possible that people are pairing their PT Bold BT1 channel with the WHIM, thus, canceling DMC because it has the higher "phone" priority. What if BT2 is paired with WHIM? Then DMC would theoretically have the highest priority, you would be able to talk and listen to music from the Boom.
Thought I'd ask since I've been pouring over my Cardo manual trying to decide if I want to go WHIM or Freewire.
(If this was related to my post that another rider with a PT Bold cannot hear me) Actually the Cardo people told me not to pair my phone with the PT Bold when it was connected via the USB data cable to my bike’s Boom GTS (harleys computer/radio/ head unit.) to use CarPlay. My phone is paired via BT1 and the bike BT2 I just leave the phone BT off when plugged in, so in your scenario my DMC should already take priority and the other rider cannot hear me.
(If this was related to my post that another rider with a PT Bold cannot hear me) Actually the Cardo people told me not to pair my phone with the PT Bold when it was connected via the USB data cable to my bike’s Boom GTS (harleys computer/radio/ head unit.) to use CarPlay. My phone is paired via BT1 and the bike BT2 I just leave the phone BT off when plugged in, so in your scenario my DMC should already take priority and the other rider cannot hear me.
Yup, that's what I wanted to understand. So, it looks like I'm going to go with a Sena Freewire. Unfortunate. Thanks for the confirmation! Much appreciated.
A couple posts above questioned does Android Auto work, will it work on Bluetooth ch 1, etc.
If you read exactly the instructions called out for in the post I copied, and you have a cardo paktalk, and a freewire, then yes it will work and you will have android auto. Now if you have Sena's and you have a whim, then you need to read the rest of the post, because the guys had to do a number of work arounds and in a certain order to get that to work.
I've even included pictures in my post showing AA works, my cardo, and my freewire are flashing, working.
Not sure what Cardo said to the user above, and yes I know connecting the bike to the phone with a cable gives you the android auto connection/access to your phone, but if you don't do as called out for above in the instructions by dwken, you have to pair your phone via bluetooth on channel 2 on the cardo unit, otherwise you will have problems.
Originally Posted by cactusred
Kudos for the guys that worked to put this thread together. Definitely hats off to @DWKen for the detailed instructions on making this setup work.
I've been researching upgrade options from 17 SGS which I had used the freewire on, and ultimately I had decided to go with a new RGL, and was very interested in the opportunity with the new technology of the Boom GTS and the Whim to get REALLY wireless. But, all I've read about the last several months is how once again HD proprietary crap, and trying to make it all work and talk to each other when you don't have HD branded bike, whim, and headset.
I had the Sena branded 20S for 2 plus years and it works great for listening to music and talking with my GF on the bike, also can make calls. Forget about connecting to boom and still doing all that, and I could never get the blue tooth to sync up with other riders when we get together. I finally gave up, and bought Cardo Packtalk Bolds for this last Christmas. No more popcorn crackling and cutouts, etc. So I fast forward to yesterday, where I just got my new RGL and knew I wasn't going to get the Whim because I'm not putting another 1500 on a wireless system plus HD Sena 30k's, when I much prefer my Cardo's. So I figured I'd have to just settle with not connecting to the bike.
Well, after following the advice in this thread, my Freewire, is connected to the bike, I could hear my music just fine, I have Android Auto working, I can mesh with other riders, the only thing I was struggling with was voice commands, or making a call from the bike, because my mic wasn't getting picked up. I then saw the last piece in this post, whereas I had connected my sena to the packtalk but not my phone to the packtalk. After I put my phone on channel 2, the freewire on channel 1, I have all of it working now.
The only thing I will attempt, hopefully I can do, I did on my streetglide special, is I want to wire the din connection and a power port for the freewire under the sharknose, and not have the freewire connected to the tank mic port. I'm hoping there is the sierra electronics cable connection by the stereo under the fairing like the RGS, and SGS have.
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Originally Posted by DWKenView Post
I don't know whether to start a new thread or tack this on the end of RiderX's. I may do both.
Here's the deal: We don't think either Packtalk or Sena will EVER allow bike to bike DMC, Mesh, or Bluetooth communication using the WHIM. The problem is the headset priorities. Both manufacturers give a telephone the higher priority over intercom. The WHIM looks like a phone to both of the manufacturer's headsets. So the headsets will never allow intercom if a WHIM is involved. I wish I'd never bought a WHIM. Should have bought a Sena Freewire, instead. Now, I have both!
Three of us, George, Mikey, and I, tested in every condition that we were likely to come up against when trying to get fully functioning operation of the Harley BoomBox, telephone, and bike-to-bike intercom. It took almost three hours using a pre-written test-procedure document to make sure we tested everything thoroughly and kept the results accurate for publication.
Here are the results:Test with Sena Freewire and two Sena 20S headsets, NO WHIM INSTALLED:
Goal: Test and confirm full operation with the Harley Davidson motorcycle GTS BoomBox using the Sena Freewire.
Setup: Motorcycle (2019 RoadGlide) with no WHIM installed
Freewire plugged into the headset jack on console
Primary Sena headset paired to Freewire Channel 1 pairing
Second Sena 20S headset paired to the primary for bike-to-bike intercom iPhone plugged into BoomBox USB cable (not Bluetooth paired)
Tests:
1.Stereo audio from the BoomBox to Sena Headset via Freewire?
The BoomBox stereo output is heard from the primary.
2.Phone calls via Freewire and BoomBox , send and receive?
Phone calls were initiated and answered via the BoomBox screen. Primary Sena could hear the other party and vice versa.
3.Intercom between Sena Headsets while connected to BoomBox via Freewire?
A Bluetooth intercom conversation between the Primary and second Sena headset worked properly. If music from the BoomBox was present and , Sena Headset Audio Multi-Tasking Enabled, it lower the music volume when intercom conversation was in progress and restore when conversation ended.
4. Voice Control of BoomBox and CarPlay?
Voice Control from the Sena headset via the Sena Freewire worked properly. (Siri Commands)
Conclusion: A Sena headset works properly through all functions when connected to a Harley BoomBox via a Freewire plugged into the Headset Jack on tank console. Since the 20S, 30R, and 50 series headsets all have the same function priorities, it is assumed that all of these Sena headsets will work likewise. The Harley WHIM will not do this.
Test with two Sena 20S headsets via Sena Freewire, WHIM INSTALLED:
Goal: Test and confirm operation with the Harley Davidson motorcycle GTS BoomBox using the Sena Freewire. (Whim disabled, programmed with Mic option OFF) .
Setup: Motorcycle (2019 Ultra Limited) with WHIM installed but disabled and Mic option Off
Freewire plugged into the headset jack on console
Primary Sena headset paired to Freewire Channel 1 pairing
Second Sena 20S headset paired to the primary for bike-to-bike intercom
iPhone plugged into BoomBox USB cable (not Bluetooth paired)
Tests:
1. Stereo audio from the BoomBox to Sena Headset via Freewire?
The BoomBox full stereo output is heard from the primary Sena headset.
2. Phone calls via Freewire and BoomBox, send and receive?
Phone calls were initiated and answered via the BoomBox screen. Primary Sena could hear the other party. HOWEVER, the other party could not hear the primary Sena user. This is probably due to the BoomBox programmed "Mic OFF". (see the Mic Off workaround)
3. Intercom between Sena Headsets while connected to BoomBox via Freewire?
A Bluetooth intercom conversation between the Primary and second Sena headset worked properly. If music from the BoomBox was present, Audio Multi-Tasking worked to lower the music volume when intercom conversation was in progress and restore when conversation ended.
4. Voice Control of BoomBox and CarPlay?
Voice Control from the Sena headset via the Sena Freewire did not work, probably because the BoomBox mic option is turned OFF.
Conclusion: A Sena headset works properly through all functions when connected to a Harley BoomBox via a Sena Freewire plugged into the microphone socket. Since the 20S, 30R, and 50 series headsets all have the same function priorities, it is assumed that all of these Sena headsets will work likewise. A WHIM cannot do this.
Test with two PackTalk headsets and Sena Freewire, NO WHIM INSTALLED:
Goal: Test and confirm full operation with the Harley Davidson motorcycle GTS BoomBox that has never had a WHIM installed using the Scala Rider Packtalk.
Setup: Motorcycle (the same 2019 RoadGlide) with no WHIM installed
Freewire plugged into the headset jack on console
Primary PackTalk headset paired to Freewire Channel 1 pairing
Second PackTalk headset paired to the primary PackTalk for bike-to-bike intercom (we already had both Packtalk headsets DMC paired Prior to any other pairings.
iPhone plugged into BoomBox USB cable (not Bluetooth paired)
Tests:
1. Stereo audio from the BoomBox to Primary PackTalk Headset via Freewire?
The BoomBox stereo output is heard from the primary PackTalk.
2. Phone calls from the PackTalk via Freewire and BoomBox , send and receive?
Phone calls were initiated and answered via the BoomBox screen. Primary PackTalk user could ear the other party and the other party could hear the Packtalk user.
3. Packtalk DMC intercom between PackTalk Headsets while connected to BoomBox via Freewire?
A DMC intercom conversation between the Primary and second PackTalk headsets worked properly. If music from the BoomBox was present, Audio Multi-Tasking worked to lower the music volume when intercom conversation was in progress and restore when conversation ended as desired.
4. Voice Control of the BoomBox from the Packtalk headset via the Sena Freewire
Voice control worked properly including voice dialing. (Siri Commands) Remember, no WHIM installed and Mic Off option was not programmed.
Conclusion: A PackTalk headset works properly through all functions when connected to a Harley BoomBox that has never had a WHIM installed via a Sena Freewire plugged into the microphone . A WHIM cannot do this.
Test with two PackTalk headsets via Sena Freewire, WHIM INSTALLED:
Goal: Test and confirm operation with the Harley Davidson motorcycle GTS BoomBox using the Sena Freewire. (Whim disabled, programmed with Mic option OFF) .
Setup: Motorcycle (2019 Ultra Limited) with WHIM installed but disabled and Mic option Off
Freewire plugged into the headset jack on console
Primary PackTalk headset paired to Freewire Channel 1 pairing
Second PackTalk headset paired to the primary PackTalk for bike-to-bike intercom
The PackTalk headsets were DMC paired Prior to any other pairings only because they were previously paired.
iPhone plugged into BoomBox USB cable (not Bluetooth paired)
Tests:
1. Stereo audio from the BoomBox to the primary PackTalk Headset via Freewire?
The BoomBox full stereo output is heard from the primary Sena headset.
2. Phone calls via Freewire and BoomBox , send and receive?
Phone calls were initiated and answered via the BoomBox screen. Primary Sena could hear the other party. HOWEVER, the other party could not hear the primary Sena user. This is probably due to the BoomBox programmed "Mic OFF".
3. DMC Intercom between PackTalk Headsets while connected to BoomBox via Freewire?
A DMC Bluetooth intercom conversation between the Primary and second PackTalk headset worked properly. If music from the BoomBox was present, Audio Multi-Tasking worked to lower the music volume when intercom conversation was in progress and restore when conversation ended.
4. Voice Control of BoomBox and CarPlay?
Voice Control from the Sena headset via the Sena Freewire did not work. This is probably because the BoomBox mic option is turned OFF on this motorcycle.
Conclusion: A Packtalk headset works properly through all functions when connected to a Harley BoomBox with the mic option turned OFF via a Sena Freewire plugged into the microphone socket except that the user's voice would not be transmitted to the BoomBox. (see work-around below)
Work-around for telephone operation on a WHIM-equipped motorcycle that has the mic option turned OFF:
When a dealership programs the BoomBox radio with a WHIM, it appears that the technician usually turns the mic option OFF. It seems to disable the motorcycle's wired microphone input under certain conditions whether the WHIM is disconnected or enabled.
The test motorcycle with a WHIM installed had the mic option turned off. This prevented voice commands and telephone voice being heard by the other party. But we discovered a work-around when testing a PackTalk headset! The work-around may also work with a Sena headset.
The phone is already connected to the BoomBox via the USB cable. This gives operational control between the two.
The phone is already connected to the Sena Freewire via Channel 1 pairing for audio.
To get audio from the PackTalk to the phone call recipient, pair the phone to the PackTalk Channel 2 airing. Remember, Channel 1 is already paired to the Sena Freewire.
If done this way, for a phone call, the phone audio works directly via the PackTalk headset connection. The phone can still be controlled via the BoomBox screen for initiating and receiving phone calls via the USB cable. But the audio is only via the phone Bluetooth connection to the headset.
We didn't try this same work-around with a Sena headset but it will probably work as well.
Now, for the motorcycle's CB operation: Although we couldn't test this, we believe that the user's audio WILL be sent to the BoomBox and CB radio is the Mic OFF option is not enabled. In other words, the Mic option should be left on. But like I say, we had no way of testing this since we didn't have a motorcycle with a WHIM and the Mic option turned ON. BUT, if you don't buy a WHIM, the microphone audio from the Sena or PackTalk units should go to the BoomBox and thus to the CB radio. I would not buy a WHIM. Just get a Sena Freewire, instead. Freewire connected Mesh Mode Packtalk Android Auto enabled
Some further testing on my part with this. No WHIM - never flashed for WHIM or the CarPlay hack. I have a Freewire that is installed with a 7-pin DIN cable that was modified so that it turns CarPlay on (I have hacked a Harley cable to do this and then started just making my own whole cables for MUCH less money). The Freewire works great with any Sena headsets and I've been using it for months. Gets Stereo, gets CarPlay, works to the bike, works with the CB, etc. But the Sena mesh and noise cancelling just sucks ;-). So I just decided to try to move to Cardo Packtalk Bolds.
Easy enough, but I am not getting any of the Mic audio from the Packtalk through the Freewire into the bike. I can set up so that I can work with the Phone just fine and Siri talks to my phone through the Packtalk. I can basically make everything work as everyone described here except that my audio from the Mic is not going through the Freewire and to the Bike and through the CB. The mic input goes to the phone right so I can pretty much use the phone to the Packtalk, but the mic connection to the Freewire is an issue. Oh and I cannot talk to Siri after I activate it from the handlebar and have it work, I have to activate it from the headset itself. I could live with this. But I have lost my CB transmission capabilities that I need to have as a Road Captain in my group here. I can hear it, just cannot transmit. In all of the posts here, I have not yet found anyone that is actually getting the Mic through to the CB. Anyone get that working?
Heading off the anti-CB comments, none of the technologies here work long enough distance yet to replace it for my group. When I have a normal group I'm leading it will be .2 - .4 miles long and I can usually manage to get enough comms with a Sena unit to work that far (usually). The Cardo DMC Mesh has a much better chance of meeting my distance requirements. When I have a group on a police escorted ride that is 4 miles long, I can still CB between the front and back and everywhere in between. But the Cardo DMC mesh is the one that actually does offer me an alternative that I could eventually get adoption of...if I could just get it freakin working for the interim while people migrate over.
Not sure on the cb route to give any good info, I had studied so much stuff on this, I thought I recall some posts somewhere about cb issues but don't personally have it, so don't know. I had some mic issues at first myself until I paired the phone to the packtalk on channel 2 and the freewire to channel 1, then Hey Google would work, calling from the bike to someone, started working, asking for weather, etc. Rider to rider, and music worked already. I also use android and did not require any mod of my 7 din cable under the shark nose, guess maybe that's an carplay thing.
Not sure on the cb route to give any good info, I had studied so much stuff on this, I thought I recall some posts somewhere about cb issues but don't personally have it, so don't know. I had some mic issues at first myself until I paired the phone to the packtalk on channel 2 and the freewire to channel 1, then Hey Google would work, calling from the bike to someone, started working, asking for weather, etc. Rider to rider, and music worked already. I also use android and did not require any mod of my 7 din cable under the shark nose, guess maybe that's an carplay thing.
First on the CarPlay thing, yes you only have to make that mod to make CarPlay function. Android is no restricting to having a mic installed while Apple is restricting that.
Then what you did for putting the phone in different channels was to allow you to actually do your functions through the headset to the phone. So your mic is actually going to the phone while your speakers/headphones are coming from the Freewire. Right now, even without the phone involved, I cannot talk directly to the bike and use the built in commands through the Freewire.
The Freewire with your microphone-modified cable allowed your Sena unit to operate the CB?
Originally Posted by phrogg
Some further testing on my part with this. No WHIM - never flashed for WHIM or the CarPlay hack. I have a Freewire that is installed with a 7-pin DIN cable that was modified so that it turns CarPlay on (I have hacked a Harley cable to do this and then started just making my own whole cables for MUCH less money). The Freewire works great with any Sena headsets and I've been using it for months. Gets Stereo, gets CarPlay, works to the bike, works with the CB, etc. But the Sena mesh and noise cancelling just sucks ;-). So I just decided to try to move to Cardo Packtalk Bolds.
Easy enough, but I am not getting any of the Mic audio from the Packtalk through the Freewire into the bike. I can set up so that I can work with the Phone just fine and Siri talks to my phone through the Packtalk. I can basically make everything work as everyone described here except that my audio from the Mic is not going through the Freewire and to the Bike and through the CB. The mic input goes to the phone right so I can pretty much use the phone to the Packtalk, but the mic connection to the Freewire is an issue. Oh and I cannot talk to Siri after I activate it from the handlebar and have it work, I have to activate it from the headset itself. I could live with this. But I have lost my CB transmission capabilities that I need to have as a Road Captain in my group here. I can hear it, just cannot transmit. In all of the posts here, I have not yet found anyone that is actually getting the Mic through to the CB. Anyone get that working?
Heading off the anti-CB comments, none of the technologies here work long enough distance yet to replace it for my group. When I have a normal group I'm leading it will be .2 - .4 miles long and I can usually manage to get enough comms with a Sena unit to work that far (usually). The Cardo DMC Mesh has a much better chance of meeting my distance requirements. When I have a group on a police escorted ride that is 4 miles long, I can still CB between the front and back and everywhere in between. But the Cardo DMC mesh is the one that actually does offer me an alternative that I could eventually get adoption of...if I could just get it freakin working for the interim while people migrate over.
I have basically the same thing: PackTalk paired to my phone on one channel and also to Freewire on the other channel.
The phone recognizes "Hey Siri" and functions as it should.
But I cannot control the Harley BoomBox from the PackTalk. My motor's BoomBox was programmed to operate CarPlay with no microphone. So (I think), it doesn't hear the microphone.
So I can hear my BoomBox, but no voice controls. I've just been living with it and touching the screen or joystick to navigate and select functions.
Originally Posted by cactusred
Not sure on the cb route to give any good info, I had studied so much stuff on this, I thought I recall some posts somewhere about cb issues but don't personally have it, so don't know. I had some mic issues at first myself until I paired the phone to the packtalk on channel 2 and the freewire to channel 1, then Hey Google would work, calling from the bike to someone, started working, asking for weather, etc. Rider to rider, and music worked already. I also use android and did not require any mod of my 7 din cable under the shark nose, guess maybe that's an carplay thing.
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