How many miles before dealership considers bike not to be new?
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08-18-2018, 03:50 PM
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I work for a main brand car dealership in the UK. Here we do have specific demonstrator vehicles which are the sold as used from 3 months onwards. However we can still use “new” vehicles for test drives and up to 200 “delivery” Miles is considered acceptable.
Many of the the new models do have a software system that allows for one reset back to 0 before the clock gets to 100. Once past that point the software turns off. Again this is to allow for delivery between dealerships where a transporter would be uneconomical.
Once past about 150 miles, most dealerships would self-register the car as a “pre-reg” or use it as a demo.
Many of the the new models do have a software system that allows for one reset back to 0 before the clock gets to 100. Once past that point the software turns off. Again this is to allow for delivery between dealerships where a transporter would be uneconomical.
Once past about 150 miles, most dealerships would self-register the car as a “pre-reg” or use it as a demo.
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08-18-2018, 04:04 PM
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I work for a main brand car dealership in the UK. Here we do have specific demonstrator vehicles which are the sold as used from 3 months onwards. However we can still use “new” vehicles for test drives and up to 200 “delivery” Miles is considered acceptable.
Many of the the new models do have a software system that allows for one reset back to 0 before the clock gets to 100. Once past that point the software turns off. Again this is to allow for delivery between dealerships where a transporter would be uneconomical.
Once past about 150 miles, most dealerships would self-register the car as a “pre-reg” or use it as a demo.
Many of the the new models do have a software system that allows for one reset back to 0 before the clock gets to 100. Once past that point the software turns off. Again this is to allow for delivery between dealerships where a transporter would be uneconomical.
Once past about 150 miles, most dealerships would self-register the car as a “pre-reg” or use it as a demo.
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08-18-2018, 04:12 PM
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If you believe a "new" motorcycle needs to have only a few miles, to be considered truly "new".... Stand by to get really pissed off.........
I found out about this when I bought a brand new $45K Ram diesel truck, with 12 miles on it. It had repaired collision damage (side of the truck bed and rear crew cab door), that I found while detailing the truck. It was sold to me as a new vehicle, and I was NOT told about the damage and repair... and you know what... it was completely legal...!!!!
According to the California Vehicle Code, damage sustained by a new motor vehicle is only material if the damage required repairs having a value, including parts and labor calculated at the repairer’s cost, exceeding 3 percent of the manufacturer’s suggested retail price of the vehicle or five hundred dollars ($500), whichever is greater. If the damage is NOT material, it does not have to be disclosed by the dealership....... This per California vehicle code, sections 9990, 9991, 9992, & 9993 CVC.
So they would have to have repaired damage (certain types of damage must be reported regardless of cost, see the listed sections) with a repair value greater than $1,350, before they MUST advise me of the repaired damage......!! Of course, they claimed the damage only cost them $900 to fix, and they had a receipt in that amount.
I was lucky..... I found unrepaired damage they had missed. I got a repair quote of $3900 to fix the un-repaired damage, and to fix their very poor damage repair. This clearly put it over the limit, and them in violation of the law...
To avoid a lawsuit and/or me filing a complaint with the State Attorney General, they took back the damaged truck, replacing it with a one year newer model, that had two extra options I didn't have on the older truck....
Before you all blame crazy CA for these stupid laws, when I was doing my research about this, there are like 40 other states that have similar laws....
To summarize, your brand new $30K Harley, with 4 miles on it, could also have $900 (at dealer's cost) worth of repaired damage to it, and the dealer DOES NOT have to tell you about it......
I found out about this when I bought a brand new $45K Ram diesel truck, with 12 miles on it. It had repaired collision damage (side of the truck bed and rear crew cab door), that I found while detailing the truck. It was sold to me as a new vehicle, and I was NOT told about the damage and repair... and you know what... it was completely legal...!!!!
According to the California Vehicle Code, damage sustained by a new motor vehicle is only material if the damage required repairs having a value, including parts and labor calculated at the repairer’s cost, exceeding 3 percent of the manufacturer’s suggested retail price of the vehicle or five hundred dollars ($500), whichever is greater. If the damage is NOT material, it does not have to be disclosed by the dealership....... This per California vehicle code, sections 9990, 9991, 9992, & 9993 CVC.
So they would have to have repaired damage (certain types of damage must be reported regardless of cost, see the listed sections) with a repair value greater than $1,350, before they MUST advise me of the repaired damage......!! Of course, they claimed the damage only cost them $900 to fix, and they had a receipt in that amount.
I was lucky..... I found unrepaired damage they had missed. I got a repair quote of $3900 to fix the un-repaired damage, and to fix their very poor damage repair. This clearly put it over the limit, and them in violation of the law...
To avoid a lawsuit and/or me filing a complaint with the State Attorney General, they took back the damaged truck, replacing it with a one year newer model, that had two extra options I didn't have on the older truck....
Before you all blame crazy CA for these stupid laws, when I was doing my research about this, there are like 40 other states that have similar laws....
To summarize, your brand new $30K Harley, with 4 miles on it, could also have $900 (at dealer's cost) worth of repaired damage to it, and the dealer DOES NOT have to tell you about it......
Last edited by hattitude; 08-18-2018 at 04:16 PM.
