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Old 10-13-2016 | 04:22 PM
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on my 07 66 tooth rear pulley i did worse in 6th than 5th at 65 not enough power at that low rpm, my 15 with a 68 tooth does about the same at 65 5th or 6th. at 80 either bike sucks down the fuel.
 
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Old 10-14-2016 | 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by yzernie
Since I spend almost my time at highway speeds I have considered this very topic.

In theory, the lower the rpm at the same speed should yield better fuel economy...as long as the rpm isn't so low you are causing the engine to lug and require more throttle to go the same speed.

For example...3100rpm @ 80mph = 28mpg
....................2800rpm @ 80mph = ??mpg

These twin cam bikes should have enough torque and HP to be able to accommodate 300-400RPM loss and still be able to maintain good MPG at highway speeds. The thing I don't know is if these computer driven speedos would comprehend the changes or still think it is stock gearing...kind of like today's computer drive autos do when you change a tire height and the computer still thinks it's a stock tire height.
The "hockey" in the game here is a combination of available power and how much of it is being needed. Up to the horsepower and torque peaks, the lower the rpm, the lower the available power. Temporarily disregarding that the engine will destroy itself, there is less power available at wide open throttle at 1000 rpm than at 5500 rpm. When asking for more than about 70% of the power available at a given rpm, the mixture is changed to power enrichment mode, a little extra gas for a given volume of air. If at a given speed you are just below the power enrichment threshold you will achieve a certain mpg figure. If you re-gear to a lower rpm for that same speed you will go above the threshold to activate power enrichment and your fuel economy will take an out of proportion dive because of it. I would hope that the factory engineers try to set up the bikes so that normally anticipated cruise speeds are achieved below the power enrichment threshold and fuel economy benefits. Go above that speed and power enrichment kicks in and economy drops significantly. I suspect that 80 mph is above the enrichment threshold, my fuel mileage at that speed suggests I am above the threshold and I get mid 30s.
 
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Old 10-14-2016 | 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by btsom
I would hope that the factory engineers try to set up the bikes so that normally anticipated cruise speeds are achieved below the power enrichment threshold and fuel economy benefits. Go above that speed and power enrichment kicks in and economy drops significantly. I suspect that 80 mph is above the enrichment threshold, my fuel mileage at that speed suggests I am above the threshold and I get mid 30s.
My Glide is much older than most in here and a carb one at that. Our batwings (and I suspect the sharks as well) are like barn doors, so when pushing the cruising speed up, the drag goes up at a much greater rate, hence demands far more power from the engine.

I have access to German autobahns, where speeds can be far higher than most other countries and cruisin' at 90+ mph can empty a tankful in super quick time. Best not to bother working the mpg out!
 
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Old 10-14-2016 | 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by btsom
The "hockey" in the game here is a combination of available power and how much of it is being needed. Up to the horsepower and torque peaks, the lower the rpm, the lower the available power. Temporarily disregarding that the engine will destroy itself, there is less power available at wide open throttle at 1000 rpm than at 5500 rpm. When asking for more than about 70% of the power available at a given rpm, the mixture is changed to power enrichment mode, a little extra gas for a given volume of air. If at a given speed you are just below the power enrichment threshold you will achieve a certain mpg figure. If you re-gear to a lower rpm for that same speed you will go above the threshold to activate power enrichment and your fuel economy will take an out of proportion dive because of it. I would hope that the factory engineers try to set up the bikes so that normally anticipated cruise speeds are achieved below the power enrichment threshold and fuel economy benefits. Go above that speed and power enrichment kicks in and economy drops significantly. I suspect that 80 mph is above the enrichment threshold, my fuel mileage at that speed suggests I am above the threshold and I get mid 30s.
Makes sense. I have a 110 with 255 cams so I have plenty of torque from 1500+ rpm. If it wasn't so damned expensive to change the belt and rear drive I would try it just for ***** and giggles to see what a difference it would make.
 
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Old 10-14-2016 | 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by TriGeezer
What is intriguing would be if there was a modification for the 6th gear to make it steeper. As it is set up now, the ratios are all close...but a big jump to 6th such that it would drop 300 to 500 RPM would be interesting. This wouldn't change the other ratios. The Baker 7 speed has a higher ratio for 7th than the current 6th...but that's a lot of money.

The TriGlide has a different sprocket than the standard Uktra to give it more get up and go because of the weight. So, in 6th gear at about 73 MPH I'm turning 3,000 RPMs. And 3,000 seems like my sweet spot. So, at 80 my motor is turning 3,300. It would be nice for a top gear to drop the RPMs to 3,000 at 80.

But, as in my previous post and another, the biggest impact to MPG at speed is wind resistance. Then the HP required to maintain speed. Then RPMs...but IMHO to first two are the largest contributors.
The Baker DD7 has lower and closer gears1-6, 7 is 1:1, same as the 6 speed cruise drive.
As far as gas mileage,late model Harley's are geared a bit high( softails and dyna's are very high),even going to just a 31 tooth sprocket is worth it.
If you ever have to go into the inner primary,throw a 31 tooth pulley on while you're in there.
 
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Old 10-15-2016 | 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by bklynbob
As far as gas mileage,late model Harley's are geared a bit high( softails and dyna's are very high),even going to just a 31 tooth sprocket is worth it.
If you ever have to go into the inner primary,throw a 31 tooth pulley on while you're in there.
This is what I did. I have a pretty good running 107, This thing loves running down the road. Pulls awesome.

I get 37 MPG fully loaded (tour pac) two up and cruising at 75 MPH. I can get 40+ MPG solo.

And it is a blast to ride. It's always temping to goose it just for the fun.
 
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